Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2017-2018

[Laoghaire]

Yost had a couple of under the radar bargain type guys he talked about in his latest article, probably a lot more realistic than some of the names being thrown around above.

Yohann Auvitu (D)


Brandon Pirri (F)


http://www.tsn.ca/talent/bargain-bid-adds-teams-should-consider-in-free-agency-1.800747

I believe there was rumour that Murray was interested in Pirri at the 2015 TDL. Makes sense too as a replacement to Stalberg.

 

[Micklebot]

Why pay all that for a guy who put up a whopping 3 points more than Turris, but has an $8.275 mil cap hit for the next 5 years? Plus, Girouxs point totals have gone down for 4 straight seasons now. There's a good chance Turris will out-point him next year.

Giroux struggled through a hip injury and abdominal injury this past year, using this year's production as an indication of what he'll do next year is akin to using Turris' 2015-16 production as proof he'd do poorly this past year.

Giroux will put up 70+ pts this coming season, he may no longer be the pt per game center he is getting paid to be, but he's still a beast on the PP, and would be a perfect fit for Ottawa if we could manage to fit him in. Sadly, I just don't see it happening because of the Ryan and Phaneuf deals.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Last year

Giroux 82gp 14 44 58 ev 9 17 pp 5 26 sh 0 1

Turris. 78gp 27 28 55 ev 21 17 pp 6 11 sh 0 0

I think Giroux has been the better player over the course of his career and has achieved higher point totals eclipsing 70 twice, 80 once and 90 once. Last year's even strength numbers really favor Turris. Is Giroux becoming a PP specialist? not sure . I would not be in any rush to target him

Carter 82gp 32 34 66 ev 21 22 pp 10 12 sh 1 0

Carter's contract is 32
Salary from this year
6.5, 5, 3, 2, 2 Cap hit 5.272

Cost of either player would be significant.. I would resign Turris and see how Brown does this year. If Carter becomes available at a good price I would grab him but so would at least 29 other teams .

 

[Liver King]

Giroux struggled through a hip injury and abdominal injury this past year, using this year's production as an indication of what he'll do next year is akin to using Turris' 2015-16 production as proof he'd do poorly this past year.

Giroux will put up 70+ pts this coming season, he may no longer be the pt per game center he is getting paid to be, but he's still a beast on the PP, and would be a perfect fit for Ottawa if we could manage to fit him in. Sadly, I just don't see it happening because of the Ryan and Phaneuf deals.

Yup, Ryan and/or Phaneuf will have to be moved regardless. Hopefully we can find a deal next summer where we can shed some salary

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Giroux struggled through a hip injury and abdominal injury this past year, using this year's production as an indication of what he'll do next year is akin to using Turris' 2015-16 production as proof he'd do poorly this past year.

Giroux will put up 70+ pts this coming season, he may no longer be the pt per game center he is getting paid to be, but he's still a beast on the PP, and would be a perfect fit for Ottawa if we could manage to fit him in. Sadly, I just don't see it happening because of the Ryan and Phaneuf deals.

It's not just injuries, though. Giroux has been on a downward trajectory for four seasons.

Even if he holds steady at a 60-70 point pace from now on, that's still not good enough for that contract. Giving up a kings ransom is just another 'Ryan trade' waiting to happen.

Now if we managed to get Giroux 1-for-1 for Turris.....that would be closer in value. Anything more than that simply isn't worth it, imho.

 

[Tuna99]

The thing I think Sens fans have to realize if Dorion is getting specific players for Boucher that he will play - this isn't like the Murray era were we had weak coaches just happy to have a job and they played the players Murray got whether they were AHL players or not - like our Coach of the Year said "sometimes I worry about the players I have to play" which got him fired.

Dorion wouldn't play Lazar, wouldn't play certain players he thought couldn;t handle his demands and system. So Dorion has to get players he knows that Boucher will play or the team will jst dig itself a hole. This isn't "these are the players I got back in the Spezza or Bishop trade so you have to play them" Boucher doesn't care, he plays who he knows can handle his system and if they can't, they don't play.

 

[Micklebot]

It's not just injuries, though. Giroux has been on a downward trajectory for four seasons.

Even if he holds steady at a 60-70 point pace from now on, that's still not good enough for that contract. Giving up a kings ransom is just another 'Ryan trade' waiting to happen.

Now if we managed to get Giroux 1-for-1 for Turris.....that would be closer in value. Anything more than that simply isn't worth it, imho.

So, he isn't getting the > pts per game numbers he did from 2011/12 to 2013/14, but 2014/15 and 2015/16 were pretty much mirror images, basically a 70-73 pts seasons. Vorecek's struggles in 2015/16 are far more pronounced than Giroux's tbh.

This year, Giroux was completely ineffective at ES, likely in large part to his injury issue, don't expect that to repeat. IMO, You can expect 10-15 more pts at ES alone from him this year, assuming health. Giroux is the poster boy candidate for a bounce back season with injury issues hampering him all year, poor on-ice Sh%, and a drastic drop in his individual Point % (percent of goals he was on the ice for and registered a point on). If we could land him (and actually fit his contract in long term) for the cost of Turris, it would be one of the most one-sided trades in a long time, not to mention the fact that he perfectly addresses Ottawa's biggest needs; A true #1 center, and a PP quarterback from the halfwall.

If Philly is foolish enough to let him go for pennies on the dollar, we should try and find a way to make it work. It would be akin to us going through with trading Alfredsson for Conroy back in the day.

 

[Benjamin]

So, he isn't getting the > pts per game numbers he did from 2011/12 to 2013/14, but 2014/15 and 2015/16 were pretty much mirror images, basically a 70-73 pts seasons. Vorecek's struggles in 2015/16 are far more pronounced than Giroux's tbh.

This year, Giroux was completely ineffective at ES, likely in large part to his injury issue, don't expect that to repeat. IMO, You can expect 10-15 more pts at ES alone from him this year, assuming health. Giroux is the poster boy candidate for a bounce back season with injury issues hampering him all year, poor on-ice Sh%, and a drastic drop in his individual Point % (percent of goals he was on the ice for and registered a point on). If we could land him (and actually fit his contract in long term) for the cost of Turris, it would be one of the most one-sided trades in a long time, not to mention the fact that he perfectly addresses Ottawa's biggest needs; A true #1 center, and a PP quarterback from the halfwall.

If Philly is foolish enough to let him go for pennies on the dollar, we should try and find a way to make it work. It would be akin to us going through with trading Alfredsson for Conroy back in the day.

Ill do Turris/Brown + something small for Giroux. Anything more and I'd pass. Not worth paying his full value based on what he could be.

 

[TheNewEra]

Ill do Turris/Brown + something small for Giroux. Anything more and I'd pass. Not worth paying his full value based on what he could be.

well we will probably have to pay more given his salary. So philly would need to take on some contracts if we were dealing with them. Either that or we will need to clear up some contracts/$ in other deals

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Surprised nothing has been done with Stalberg. He seems like a cheap 2 year guy.

I think a Pageau deal will be next announcement.

 

[Shanny]

Ill do Turris/Brown + something small for Giroux. Anything more and I'd pass. Not worth paying his full value based on what he could be.

I wouldn't even do Turris 1 for 1 for Giroux considering their similar offensive output, and the fact that Giroux's contract is huge in relation to Turris (including his soon to be raise).

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Giroux makes 9/9/8/7.2/5 in real money over the next few seasons. Even with Turris getting a raise, he likely will be at around 6M, so that's a huge gap long term. Looking at this season, Turris makes 4M, so if we're actually a budget team with a budget in the high 60s, where are we going to find that extra 5M if we're only moving Turris?

A Giroux trade would have to involve Ryan or Phaneuf as a piece going back to equalize salary. There's no other way it could really work.

 

[Benjamin]

I wouldn't even do Turris 1 for 1 for Giroux considering their similar offensive output, and the fact that Giroux's contract is huge in relation to Turris (including his soon to be raise).

Giroux makes 9/9/8/7.2/5 in real money over the next few seasons. Even with Turris getting a raise, he likely will be at around 6M, so that's a huge gap long term. Looking at this season, Turris makes 4M, so if we're actually a budget team with a budget in the high 60s, where are we going to find that extra 5M if we're only moving Turris?

A Giroux trade would have to involve Ryan or Phaneuf as a piece going back to equalize salary. There's no other way it could really work.

9mil!? Nevermind. Pass on Giroux. I doubt they take Ryan.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

9mil!? Nevermind. Pass on Giroux. I doubt they take Ryan.

His cap hit is 8.275M but his actual salary is 9/9/8/5 for the remainder of the contract.

If we are still a budget team (which all signs point to so far this off season) we couldn't take on that kind of salary without dumping an equally as large contract.

Ryan makes an average of 7.45M in real money for 5 more seasons. Especially if we include Hammond who makes 1.5M as our 3rd goalie, Ryan for Giroux would mostly be a wash because although we'd be adding an extra 1.5M and 500k roughly to the books in years 2/3, we'd gain about 2.5M in year 4.

Whether that'd make sense for Philadelphia, that's an entirely different question. The thing about Giroux is that he has a full NMC so he can dictate where he goes. They can't unspend that 8.25M they have devoted to Giroux, but if they get Bobby back they get a genuine change of scenery player along with maybe a few big assets like a 1st round pick or one of our top prospects not named Chabot like Colin White or Logan Brown.

 

[Micklebot]

Ill do Turris/Brown + something small for Giroux. Anything more and I'd pass. Not worth paying his full value based on what he could be.

So, assuming we re-sign Karlsson at 11, Stone and turris at 6 each, Ceci at 4, JGP at 3.25, Dzingel at 1.5, we could actually fit it under the cap by swapping Brassard for Giroux when you assume some modest increases in the cap year by year and replacing contracts to guys like Burrows, Thompsson, Boro Wideman and Pyatt with similar cap hit contracts, but it would mean signing a cheap backup or running with an in house prospect when Anderson finishes his contract.

Trading MacArthur would probably be the best way to squeeze it in assuming Ryan and Phaneuf are unmovable, alternatively, moving Smith would be an option to increase our breathing room.

So here's my offer;

Brassard, MacArthur, Brown (or white if they prefer) and our 2018 first
for
Giroux, and Philly's 2018 2nd.

They get two usable players that we need to move for cap reasons, who can be flipped for more futures if they prefer, a 2018 1st and a high end prospect that could replace Giroux in the future.

We get that elite center we need and a 2nd to mitigate the loss of a 1st.

We then trade off Boro.


Hoffman-Giroux-Ryan
Dzingel-Turris-Stone
Smith-Pageau-Burrows
Pyatt-Thompson-White
extra: Paul

Claesson-Karlsson
Chabot-Ceci
Phaneuf-Jaros/Harpur (one stays in Belleville)
Extra:Wideman

Anderson/Condon

Cap hit is ~70 this year, 74 next year after re-signing Turris and Stone @ 6 each, and ~79 after re-signing Karlsson at 11 plus whatever increase White would need.

If they opt for White instead of Brown, we sign a cheap RW option like Pirri.

We could make it work swapping Smith and MacArthur if Philly is to frightened by the concussion issues, but then I might try and take out the swapping of picks, or just give them our 2nd.

 

[Shanny]

So, assuming we re-sign Karlsson at 11, Stone and turris at 6 each, Ceci at 4, JGP at 3.25, Dzingel at 1.5, we could actually fit it under the cap by swapping Brassard for Giroux when you assume some modest increases in the cap year by year and replacing contracts to guys like Burrows, Thompsson, Boro Wideman and Pyatt with similar cap hit contracts, but it would mean signing a cheap backup or running with an in house prospect when Anderson finishes his contract.

Trading MacArthur would probably be the best way to squeeze it in assuming Ryan and Phaneuf are unmovable, alternatively, moving Smith would be an option to increase our breathing room.

So here's my offer;

Brassard, MacArthur, Brown (or white if they prefer) and our 2018 first
for
Giroux, and Philly's 2018 2nd.

They get two usable players that we need to move for cap reasons, who can be flipped for more futures if they prefer, a 2018 1st and a high end prospect that could replace Giroux in the future.

We get that elite center we need and a 2nd to mitigate the loss of a 1st.

We then trade off Boro.


Hoffman-Giroux-Ryan
Dzingel-Turris-Stone
Smith-Pageau-Burrows
Pyatt-Thompson-White
extra: Paul

Claesson-Karlsson
Chabot-Ceci
Phaneuf-Jaros/Harpur (one stays in Belleville)
Extra:Wideman

Anderson/Condon

Cap hit is ~70 this year, 74 next year after re-signing Turris and Stone @ 6 each, and ~79 after re-signing Karlsson at 11 plus whatever increase White would need.

IF Mac can actually play next year, it'll only be for the Sens. 0% chance of him being moved.

Any deal for Giroux has to include Ryan or Phaneuf, or it doesn't happen.

Imo, I think Ryan+Hammond+Brown+ a small sweetener would be a fair enough deal if Philly was actually interested in dumping Giroux(which I doubt right now).

 

[Micklebot]

IF Mac can actually play next year, it'll only be for the Sens. 0% chance of him being moved.

Any deal for Giroux has to include Ryan or Phaneuf, or it doesn't happen.

Imo, I think Ryan+Hammond+Brown+ a small sweetener would be a fair enough deal if Philly was actually interested in dumping Giroux(which I doubt right now).

I can't see Philly being willing to accept Ryan or Phaneuf in a deal for Giroux. If they are open to trading him, it's because they want to re-allocate that money, not tie it up in a different big ticket item. That's why I looked for a way to make it work without those two. MacArthur, or Smith are included to make it feasible for us, actually, I'd probably say they take on of Mac or Smith with Hammond. Brassard goes because we can't fit Giroux unless he moves (under the assumption that Phaneuf and Ryan aren't options, which really, they aren't)

Like I said, it works under the cap, though maybe not the budget. But, I think with the add of Giroux, we definitely look more likely to have some playoff runs which would mitigate the increase in cost. There really is no point imo in trying to shoehorn in Ryan or Phaneuf into a trade proposal. Those two won't be movable until the last 2 years of their contracts.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Giroux isn't necessarily a good fit. His salary isn't a signing bonus like some options. Ottawa would actually have to pay him.

He is an upgrade on Turris, and if the cost between Turris and Giroux isn't extreme, Ottawa could fit him.

Philly definitely seems to be rebuilding, and letting Giroux get older and older isn't a smart move.

Seems like an extreme move to be honest. Not one Ottawa should be making after their success last season.

 

[TipfromCarp]

I would take Giroux on our team for no other reason than his seemingly palpable hate for Sid. That's good enough for me.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, I'd like to get Giroux as well. Not at the expense of trading Turris though. I'm thinking Brassard, Ceci, a 2018 1st for Giroux would do the trick.

 

[Larionov]

Surprised nothing has been done with Stalberg. He seems like a cheap 2 year guy.

I think a Pageau deal will be next announcement.

My guess is that Stalberg's agent is out there shopping Ottawa's offer to every team in the league, hoping to find someone who will beat it. The problem he faces, though, is that teams are basically done with their free agent shopping and are only looking for bargain basement contracts now. He probably doesn't love the offer he got from Ottawa, but he'll probably have to take it at this stage...

 

[trentmccleary]

Yeah, I'd like to get Giroux as well. Not at the expense of trading Turris though. I'm thinking Brassard, Ceci, a 2018 1st for Giroux would do the trick.

As configured, Ceci is pretty important to the present and future of this team. He can't be traded this easily.

For this upcoming season, Brassard could be abducted by aliens-never to return and the team would adjust and keep rolling. If Ceci missed half of the season, it'd be a huge blow that might cost them a chance at the playoffs.

 

[Micklebot]

As configured, Ceci is pretty important to the present and future of this team. He can't be traded this easily.

For this upcoming season, Brassard could be abducted by aliens-never to return and the team would adjust and keep rolling. If Ceci missed half of the season, it'd be a huge blow that might cost them a chance at the playoffs.

As much as people seem to want to include Ceci in every trade proposal, it only makes sense if we move Phaneuf to RD, or Jaros plays way above expectations.

Doesn't make much sense to move Ceci unless a better RD is coming back imo.

I think any trade for a legit #1 center has to be done without including Ceci, Phaneuf, or Ryan. The later two because their contracts are too cumbersome to move for any value coming back, and teams interested in walking away from their #1 center won't be interested in taking on guys like Phaneuf or Ryan.

getting close to 1000 posts, Going to lock this up in a min, so try not to do any lengthy posts

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