Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2017-2018

[Liver King]

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[Cosmix]

A lot of smoke, but no fire! Fake news?

 

[Liver King]

A lot of smoke, but no fire! Fake news? ��

most likely, but it is interesting to note what we are looking for:

D-man and Center

in free agency I see us going after Hanzal and Kulikov

trading Phaneuf seems like a terrible idea right now...

 

[edguy]

most likely, but it is interesting to note what we are looking for:

D-man and Center

in free agency I see us going after Hanzal and Kulikov

trading Phaneuf seems like a terrible idea right now...

I think Kulikov is a great fit for us both price and style wise..

Hanzal I think he Will be overpaid.. but if he comes in around 4Mil/3yrs I'd be down.

 

[Liver King]

Bob Mackenzie said a couple teams have called on Giroux

hes a Center right..

 

[edguy]

Bob Mackenzie said a couple teams have called on Giroux

hes a Center right..

I really think we were one of the teams.. only way we do it though is if they take back Bobby or Dion..

Giroux would do wonders if we could get him though.. could score 20 on the PP alone with Karlsson (obvious exaggeration). But I think he'd be incredible here

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I really think we were one of the teams.. only way we do it though is if they take back Bobby or Dion..

Giroux would do wonders if we could get him though.. could score 20 on the PP alone with Karlsson (obvious exaggeration). But I think he'd be incredible here

I think we definitely called. But if we're sending them bobby they'll want a lot more back.

 

[edguy]

I think we definitely called. But if we're sending them bobby they'll want a lot more back.

Bobby+White+2018 1st+2020 2nd?
Think thatd get er done?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Bobby+White+2018 1st+2020 2nd?
Think thatd get er done?

Probably not.

 

[Liver King]

they probably want Brown + or Turris/Brassard on top of a big contract

they just got Nolan Patrick which is pretty huge, and already have Couturier

 

[armani]

I don't know why the Flyers will move Giroux, unless they are in tank/rebuild mode for Dahlin.

In a beggar dream, I would be ecstatic to have someone like him even with his contract in lieu of his recent production. This guy will be ideal, at his peak he was a top-5 player not too long ago. The missing link, the game breaking centre to complement the King.

Phaneuf and/or Ryan will have to go the other way along with a boatload of assets.

Teams are calling, PD should definitely be calling, but it might be just other teams sensing a tank/rebuild type scenario. Otherwise, trading Giroux for packages makes the Flyers immediately worse.

 

[LeafChief]

Why are the Sens trying to move Phaneuf after just losing Methot?

He seems to have played pretty good last season.

 

[Fandlauer]

Why are the Sens trying to move Phaneuf after just losing Methot?

He seems to have played pretty good last season.

He was great last year. Finally solidified our bottom 4 D after years of watching them get scorched.

Unless there are moves to bring in other D, I have no idea. I'm guessing we just don't like the contract.

 

[Ouroboros]

Why are the Sens trying to move Phaneuf after just losing Methot?

He seems to have played pretty good last season.

I think they're a lot more upset about him causing the team to lose Methot than they're willing to express publicly.

Not sure I buy the contract explanation. They didn't know they had Karlsson, Turris, Stone, Ceci, Pageau all coming up for extensions when they made the trade? That would be a worrying lack of foresight.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

I think they're a lot more upset about him causing the team to lose Methot than they're willing to express publicly.

Not sure I buy the contract explanation. They didn't know they had Karlsson, Turris, Stone, Ceci, Pageau all coming up for extensions when they made the trade? That would be a worrying lack of foresight.

Losing Methot changes everything. If you get rid of just Phaneuf, you can probably get a similar but cheaper DMan but you won't have enough money to add another impact player.

You lose Methot + Phaneuf, that's about 12 mil. That can easily be stretched into 2 DMen + an impact forward.

That's what I think they are hoping to do.

 

[Ouroboros]

Losing Methot changes everything. If you get rid of just Phaneuf, you can probably get a similar but cheaper DMan but you won't have enough money to add another impact player.

You lose Methot + Phaneuf, that's about 12 mil. That can easily be stretched into 2 DMen + an impact forward.

That's what I think they are hoping to do.

That seems like an extremely ambitious plan for a team that hasn't had much success attracting free agents recently. Not sure it's realistic, but I can see the logic in wanting to go that direction.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

That seems like an extremely ambitious plan for a team that hasn't had much success attracting free agents recently. Not sure it's realistic, but I can see the logic in wanting to go that direction.

Doesn't necessarily have to be a UFA but I also suspect that IF Dion is dealt, it will be after we speak to some UFAs to gauge interest because I agree - trading Dion on the basis of hope is not a good idea.

 

[HavlatMach9]

That seems like an extremely ambitious plan for a team that hasn't had much success attracting free agents recently. Not sure it's realistic, but I can see the logic in wanting to go that direction.

since we can speak to UFAs now, we should have an idea of how that'll go

 

[Cosmix]

I think they're a lot more upset about him causing the team to lose Methot than they're willing to express publicly.

Not sure I buy the contract explanation. They didn't know they had Karlsson, Turris, Stone, Ceci, Pageau all coming up for extensions when they made the trade? That would be a worrying lack of foresight.

The rumor of the Senators shopping Phaneuf is disconcerting given the team has just lost Methot. I don't like this team's asset management in recent years. Too many old boys signed and not enough talent acquired. It seems that the objective is always "make the playoffs this year" and some of the future is sacrificed to that end.

 

[Cosmix]

they probably want Brown + or Turris/Brassard on top of a big contract

they just got Nolan Patrick which is pretty huge, and already have Couturier

Give them Ryan and Phaneuf for Giroux. Philly has the do-re-me to afford that.

Probably not what they want though!

 

[aragorn]

The rumor of the Senators shopping Phaneuf is disconcerting given the team has just lost Methot. I don't like this team's asset management in recent years. Too many old boys signed and not enough talent acquired. It seems that the objective is always "make the playoffs this year" and some of the future is sacrificed to that end.

If that's the case we all know it comes from the owner who seems to need the playoff revenue. I would be surprised if PD is able to trade Phaneuf this off season or ever really with that contract & a depreciating skill set. Will be interesting though to see who they think within the organization will eventually be playing at the NHL level soon.

Considering Claesson is already going to being staying in the NHL, on defence they also have about 4 other defencemen who will challenge over the next yr or two in Harpur, Englund, Chabot & Jaros. At forward they have White, Paul & maybe Perron who could challenge for a spot at some point this yr & maybe Brown & Gagne the following yr. They need to start making some deals for good young forwards, this seems to be the big weakness so far on this team looking forward. The guys they just drafted are probably about 3 to 5 yrs away.

 

[Ouroboros]

since we can speak to UFAs now, we should have an idea of how that'll go

Perhaps. Then again, some guy saying 'Yes, I might be willing to come to Ottawa' probably goes out the window when another team comes along on July 1st and blows your offer out of the water financially.

Defensemen almost never come cheap and we just don't know how much of a commitment the team is comfortable with. If it's anything like in recent years they will be looking to mitigate risk by signing short-term, cheaper deals. Right off the bat that limits the calibre of player you're in the running to sign.

 

[Canadian Time]

Losing Methot changes everything. If you get rid of just Phaneuf, you can probably get a similar but cheaper DMan but you won't have enough money to add another impact player.

You lose Methot + Phaneuf, that's about 12 mil. That can easily be stretched into 2 DMen + an impact forward.

That's what I think they are hoping to do.

That's what it is for sure, but I would suspect one Dman and one forward.

 

[Canadian Time]

Perhaps. Then again, some guy saying 'Yes, I might be willing to come to Ottawa' probably goes out the window when another team comes along on July 1st and blows your offer out of the water financially.

Defensemen almost never come cheap and we just don't know how much of a commitment the team is comfortable with. If it's anything like in recent years they will be looking to mitigate risk by signing short-term, cheaper deals. Right off the bat that limits the calibre of player you're in the running to sign.

One UFA and one trade is my guess. Not much on the UFA market for D but who knows. There is no other reason to trade Phaneuf after losing Methot but to make a couple fairly big moves using their salaries. This stuff about Melnyk and budget is bunk, it's to try and improve the team. Say what you want but Dorion strikes me as a high energy guy that will be willing to try some bold moves to improve. Let's let it play out

 

[Tuna99]

The rumor of the Senators shopping Phaneuf is disconcerting given the team has just lost Methot. I don't like this team's asset management in recent years. Too many old boys signed and not enough talent acquired. It seems that the objective is always "make the playoffs this year" and some of the future is sacrificed to that end.

Dude, Ales Hemsky almost got us to the playoffs. Oops, I meant Scott Gomez