Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2017-2018 | Part II

[Benjamin]

We were losing most games though. We only had a respectable record because of loser points.

True. On Nov 1st we were 5-2-5.

 

[BondraTime]

To be fair to Dorion, we kept on rolling at the start of the season. We were looking like we could be a top 3 team in our division until the Sweden trip.

Duchene was supposed to improve an already good team and the 1st was projected to be in the 20's.

Because we Boucher'd our way to loser points.

 

[BankStreetParade]

True. On Nov 1st we were 5-2-5.

Oddly, the team was 3-0-2 before Karlsson started his season on Oct. 17th against Vancouver.

 

[BatherSeason]

Oddly, the team was 3-0-2 before Karlsson started his season on Oct. 17th against Vancouver.

So we were one game over .500. That's not good enough

 

[OgieO]

131 points not good enough?

 

[BigRig4]

True. On Nov 1st we were 5-2-5.

I saw someone post the underlying stats pre/post Turris trade and its night and day. Like we were top 5 scoring chances against defensively iirc. Still not sure how it fell apart so badly.

 

[BondraTime]

Oddly, the team was 3-0-2 before Karlsson started his season on Oct. 17th against Vancouver.

3 of those games were knuckle dragged to a shootout. When 6 of your 1st 11 games of the year (the teams best point stretch) are brought to a SO (4) or OT (2), using the pointsor points % as a baramoter isn't very smart.

Not saying you were.

 

[Masked]

3 of those games were knuckle dragged to a shootout.

And the other 2 games the Senators absolutely dominated their opposition.

When 6 of your 1st 11 games of the year (the teams best point stretch) are brought to a SO (4) or OT (2), using the pointsor points % as a baramoter isn't very smart.

What sort of results should we have been expecting when the player who most feel is the sole reason for any success the Senators have had in the past few seasons is either out of the lineup or playing at a fraction of their ability? If anything they should have had more points since they went 1-5 in extra time. A little more luck and they'd have been 3-3 in extra time.

 

[Ouroboros]

Senators better without Karlsson confirmed.

 

[Micklebot]

Wow... arguing over a 5 game sample and what it meant about the quality of the team...

Honestly i though we played pretty well to start the year but were very fragile. We would play a strong 40 mins but the other 20 typically right at the start or the end would undo all the good.

 

[OgieO]

I agree that the points total overstated our performance up to Sweden... BUT I don't think it would have been unreasonable for PD to think that, with EK rounding into form after injury, upgrading the #1C position would have done anything but make us a better team. I kinda thought it would make us a playoff team. We played fairly well early on, I thought we'd look a lot better when EK regained form. Adding Duchene seemed like a pretty big improvement on top of that. Obviously, the team tanked but it was a drop that seems unlikely looking back. We played much worse after Sweden, the underlying #'s show that. Something happened.

 

[BondraTime]

And the other 2 games the Senators absolutely dominated their opposition.



What sort of results should we have been expecting when the player who most feel is the sole reason for any success the Senators have had in the past few seasons is either out of the lineup or playing at a fraction of their ability? If anything they should have had more points since they went 1-5 in extra time. A little more luck and they'd have been 3-3 in extra time.

Sure, point remains the same, unless you felt the Sens actually were contenders? In that case, yeah maybe the Duchene trade made sense

 

[Benjamin]

I saw this summary of NHL Network vid on reddit: "Elliotte Friedman: The Sense around the league ( GM's & Players ) is that Karlsson wants to remain a Senator, Just not under this Ownership. Deal was never close. Thinks Vegas are more interested in Mark stone then EK."

 

[Silencio]

I agree that the points total overstated our performance up to Sweden... BUT I don't think it would have been unreasonable for PD to think that, with EK rounding into form after injury, upgrading the #1C position would have done anything but make us a better team. I kinda thought it would make us a playoff team. We played fairly well early on, I thought we'd look a lot better when EK regained form. Adding Duchene seemed like a pretty big improvement on top of that. Obviously, the team tanked but it was a drop that seems unlikely looking back. We played much worse after Sweden, the underlying #'s show that. Something happened.

Supposedly this is when the cyberbullying began.

 

[Sensinitis]

Day 20... King Erik still on the Sens roster.

I’ll be optimistic for the next month or so, after that it’s doom and gloom most likely.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I agree that the points total overstated our performance up to Sweden... BUT I don't think it would have been unreasonable for PD to think that, with EK rounding into form after injury, upgrading the #1C position would have done anything but make us a better team. I kinda thought it would make us a playoff team. We played fairly well early on, I thought we'd look a lot better when EK regained form. Adding Duchene seemed like a pretty big improvement on top of that. Obviously, the team tanked but it was a drop that seems unlikely looking back. We played much worse after Sweden, the underlying #'s show that. Something happened.

EK not rounding in to form until we were well out of it and not having any remotely capable partners was a big reason the season played out as it did. We were treading water until he came back and that plus Duchene was supposed to elevate us but Duchene was snake bitten and our top D pair was a mess.

I think it was more of a mistake to not find EK a competent d partner to not only fill the role as #2 D but also insulate against Karlsson taking time to ease in than it was to seek out an upgrade on Turris.

 

[Liver King]

god damn sell the team!!!! KEEP KARLSSON!!

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

The draft pick will sting, that's the issue with the Duchene trade. Duchene is quite a bit better than Turris. I liked Turris, he is a great player but there is a clear separation between he and Duchene. Bowers is s good prospect but shows nothing at this point to say he won't easily be replaced by other assets in our system. He was redundant. A good prospect, but not a great one. Could be wrong though. Had the rest of the deal been a 2nd or a top 15 protected pick, then I think we win that deal hands down. But the first as it stands right now... could be a disaster.

I'm in the camp of not crying over spilled milk, because first of all, there's no need to spill the milk today, a little less than a year when we'll actually know where Colorado's pick (acquired from Ottawa) ends up, after the lotteries are done, prior to the Draft.

Let's wait and see if the Senators actually miss the playoffs, and wait for the lotteries if they do, and then spill the milk, and have good cry if the pick is high enough to acquire a prospect than looks to be better than this year's 4th.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

I really don't think the team is being "tight-lipped", Garrioch is on vacation and the organization seems to have put a gag order on TSN1200. I would assume that as soon as Garrioch returns from his time off, more leaks will come.

Garrioch had a column in today's Sun ......... so don't know that he's on vacation, could be, but still filed this story.

Mike Hoffman’s fiancée, Monika Caryk, strikes back against cyberbullying allegations

BTW, was wondering what "organization" you think has put a "gag order" on TSN 1200?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

So we were one game over .500. That's not good enough

With the loser point, you have to take it as a tie, in terms of "games", if you're going to say "games over .500 ........ which the NHL stopped using when they got rid of ties, and brought in OT, and switched to P%.

So three wins, no losses, and two (loser) points .... which would have been a ties, before OT and the SO.

That would have been three wins and two ties.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Garrioch had a column in today's Sun ......... so don't know that he's on vacation, could be, but still filed this story.

Mike Hoffman’s fiancée, Monika Caryk, strikes back against cyberbullying allegations

BTW, was wondering what "organization" you think has put a "gag order" on TSN 1200?

Probably a reference to the team (management, coaching staff & scouting staff) not doing their yearly pre and post interviews of the year end/draft/free agency with TSN 1200. Its been silence compared to every other year. Even player interviews seem harder to come by than years prior.

 

[Cosmix]

I saw this summary of NHL Network vid on reddit: "Elliotte Friedman: The Sense around the league ( GM's & Players ) is that Karlsson wants to remain a Senator, Just not under this Ownership. Deal was never close. Thinks Vegas are more interested in Mark stone then EK."

I just listened to that video. Just a lot of speculation and thinking (aka guessing) by Friedman. He appears to have no inside information whatsoever on what the Senators or Karlsson want to do, nor on what other teams might have offered or want to offer for Karlsson. Much ado about nothing.

 

[Benjamin]

I just listened to that video. Just a lot of speculation and thinking (aka guessing) by Friedman. He appears to have no inside information whatsoever on what the Senators or Karlsson want to do, nor on what other teams might have offered or want to offer for Karlsson. Much ado about nothing.

Is Friendman even an insider anymore? Seems like he's just a professional speculator.

 

[Boud]

I saw this summary of NHL Network vid on reddit: "Elliotte Friedman: The Sense around the league ( GM's & Players ) is that Karlsson wants to remain a Senator, Just not under this Ownership. Deal was never close. Thinks Vegas are more interested in Mark stone then EK."

What is this? Why would Ottawa even want to trade Mark Stone?

 

[Benjamin]

What is this? Why would Ottawa even want to trade Mark Stone?

Its possible they want a deal in place in case negotiations go poorly.