Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2017-2018 ‎part deux the sequel

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Joeyjoejoe

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Yes the last thing that Ottawa needs is a hockey legend and one of the most popular players in the league today to increase some type of buzz in a complacent market that is having trouble selling tickets. Ottawa doesn't need a power play specialist down low that has the hands and the vision to control the puck to improve a predictable abysmal powerplay, that just runs through one player at the point. Ottawa definitely has no need for a 40 point winger teaching their young players about training and working out, what does he know, he has played until he's 45 and through different eras of the league.
 

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If you follow MacArthur on Instagram there's also another pretty big clue in a recent pic that makes many think he's not coming back...

Wipe his cash from the books and Sens pretty much fall back right to a pretty Sens/Melnyk like salary number. How they replace him will be very interesting and could set the tone for this season.

Which pic would that be? Just quickly browsed his Insta and nothing seems to be giving off any red flags at first glance.
 

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His daughter seems to be attending school in upstate NY.

Bingo. Would they enroll her in school and then move her up here a few weeks later? Unlikely. He also seems like a real down to earth family guy so I can't see him leaving them behind for a season while he moves back up here. Add this to his house being up for sale and well I think the writing is on the wall. Maybe not though? Could be coincidence, but I have a feeling he's walking away of failing his upcoming training camp medical.
 

Micklebot

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Is that where his wife is from?

He's albertan

When we signed him, I seem to recall he was only interested in teams in the NE close to Rochester area. Likely had to do with family ties established when he was in Buffalo. It's also why he wanted a NTC to my understanding.

edit: Just looked it up, Rochester is where his summer home is (or maybe was, link was a bit dated). Basically, he's had ties to that area prior to becoming a Sen, so no real news here.
 

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Bingo. Would they enroll her in school and then move her up here a few weeks later? Unlikely. He also seems like a real down to earth family guy so I can't see him leaving them behind for a season while he moves back up here. Add this to his house being up for sale and well I think the writing is on the wall. Maybe not though? Could be coincidence, but I have a feeling he's walking away of failing his upcoming training camp medical.

He's done unfortunately.

I doubt we do anything with the extra money. Possibly invest it in the tarp.
 

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When we signed him, I seem to recall he was only interested in teams in the NE close to Rochester area. Likely had to do with family ties established when he was in Buffalo. It's also why he wanted a NTC to my understanding.

edit: Just looked it up, Rochester is where his summer home is (or maybe was, link was a bit dated). Basically, he's had ties to that area prior to becoming a Sen, so no real news here.

Oh interesting, would think he would demand a 15 team ntc to block any west teams in that case
 

WadeRedden

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The number is $14.25 million dollars. That's how much the Senators still owe him. Not a chance he leaves all that on the table.

The upstate New York stuff isn't a big deal imo. Clarke has had a house down there forever.
 

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If MacArthur doesn't play due to injury, I recall reading here that 80% of his salary is covered by insurance.

The team would also be able to use LTIR in that case.
 

WadeRedden

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If MacArthur doesn't play due to injury, I recall reading here that 80% of his salary is covered by insurance.

The team would also be able to use LTIR in that case.

Doctors cleared him to play like 6 months ago. The insurance company would turn around and say "Hey, your doctors cleared this guy to play ages ago. We're not honouring your claim."
 

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Doctors cleared him to play like 6 months ago. The insurance company would turn around and say "Hey, your doctors cleared this guy to play ages ago. We're not honouring your claim."

Concussion symptoms are complicated.

If he is still cleared to play and doesn't, he is in breach of contract and not eligible for salary and his cap hit is cleared.
 

WadeRedden

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Concussion symptoms are complicated.

If he is still cleared to play and doesn't, he is in breach of contract and not eligible for salary and his cap hit is cleared.

Which brings me to my original point: why on earth would Clarke forfeit the $14.25 million dollars he's owed. Remember, this is a guy who made a sketchy comeback like 4 months after Dorion said he was basically done for the season (because he couldn't pass his baselines in January.) Pretty obvious to me that Clarke wants to keep playing.
 

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Which brings me to my original point: why on earth would Clarke forfeit the $14.25 million dollars he's owed. Remember, this is a guy who made a sketchy comeback like 4 months after Dorion said he was basically done for the season (because he couldn't pass his baselines in January.) Pretty obvious to me that Clarke wants to keep playing.

You're probably right, but the flip side is that he definitely didn't want to go out the way he did (nothing play in training camp). At least this way he can go out "on his terms" (after having played a fairly significant role in a long playoff run).

I'm on the side of the argument that thinks he's coming back, but there's a big difference between fighting to come back for one last kick at it or coming back for a full season's worth of NHL wear and tear.
 

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Which brings me to my original point: why on earth would Clarke forfeit the $14.25 million dollars he's owed. Remember, this is a guy who made a sketchy comeback like 4 months after Dorion said he was basically done for the season (because he couldn't pass his baselines in January.) Pretty obvious to me that Clarke wants to keep playing.

Clarke said he 'tested retirement life' in Florida for a week last season before he came back. He wasn't ready to call it a career.

As to why he'd forfeit 14 mil, well, some things, like not having a scrambled brain and being able to remember your daughter's name, are more important than money, particularly when you've set you and your immediate family up financially already, and the extra money doesn't actually impact your lifestyle significantly.

Players are proud and want to get what they feel they deserve, so they will occasionally hold out for better contracts, but that doesn't mean that money is the driving factor for every decision in life. The difference between a player earning 4 mil per year and 8 mil per year won't likely result in drastic changes in their lifestyles (if any) or the security of their family's future, it's not about money at that point, it's about respect. If Clarke feels it's time to hang them up, the money won't be an issue. However, if he's not cleared and injury is preventing him from playing, of course he'll unofficially LTI'retire, as in his mind, he earned it. Look at Urschel in the NFL, retired at 26 after just 3 years. That decision wasn't financially motivated; he left a lot of money on the table.
 

Joeyjoejoe

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Question for the CBA expertos.

So if he goes on LTIR then his cap hit won't count right? if so then who pays him? the insurance company or the Sens?
 

Micklebot

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Question for the CBA expertos.

So if he goes on LTIR then his cap hit won't count right? if so then who pays him? the insurance company or the Sens?

Here's my understanding:

If his contract is covered by insurance, the insurance would cover up to 80% after the player misses 30 consecutive games (teams can allocate coverage across 5 players or more, for example, 5 players covered at 80% or 10 players covered at 40%)

If the contract is not covered, either because the team did not opt to cover it, or because the insurance provider vetoed it as a pre-existing condition prior to the team assigning coverage to that player, then the team is on the hook for 100%
 

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Question for the CBA expertos.

So if he goes on LTIR then his cap hit won't count right? if so then who pays him? the insurance company or the Sens?

Mickle covered the insurance aspect. As far as his cap hit, LTIR isn't exactly the same as clear cap space, but it's more advantageous than dead cap space (Think Greening when we paid him with a big cap hit to sit in the AHL) which is why TOR traded David Clarkson who was still an active player at the time for Nathan Horton who was LTIRetired at the time.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

That covers it pretty well.

As a budget team who aren't likely to spend to the cap, the actual cap ramifications of Mac going on LTIR for the purpose of injury related retirement are almost irrelevant to the Senators. What's relevant to the Senators is whether MacArthur's contract is insured, and how much of it is insured because even if he is on LTIR, if he is not insured, the money to pay him is likely coming out of the player salary budget. Going back to the Clarkson trade, this is partially why the Blue Jackets were motivated to acquire the worst contract in modern salary cap history from the Leafs in exchange for an LTIR contract. They were paying Horton to be retired, so they'd rather pay Clarkson a similar amount to be a bottom 6er on their team.

(Some people might speculate there was more to the CBJ acquiring Clarkson with him eventually ending up LTIRetired as well but apparently insured....but I won't go into that)
 

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do ppl think w would be one of the teams after Duchene before the season kicks off?

maybe the rookie tournament acts as a scouting showcase for the Avs
 

slamigo

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If he's not good to go, he will still get paid. He won't be leaving money on the table. It would not be very difficult to 'not pass' baseline tests.
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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Bingo. Would they enroll her in school and then move her up here a few weeks later? Unlikely. He also seems like a real down to earth family guy so I can't see him leaving them behind for a season while he moves back up here. Add this to his house being up for sale and well I think the writing is on the wall. Maybe not though? Could be coincidence, but I have a feeling he's walking away of failing his upcoming training camp medical.

Is she high school aged? Perhaps she wanted to go to a school away from home to showcase for a college scholarship? He's the daughter of a professional athlete...she likely has a chance at a sports scholarship (if she is playing any at a competitive level). Wouldn't be any different from boys going to places like Shattucks for hockey options.
 

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Is she high school aged? Perhaps she wanted to go to a school away from home to showcase for a college scholarship? He's the daughter of a professional athlete...she likely has a chance at a sports scholarship (if she is playing any at a competitive level). Wouldn't be any different from boys going to places like Shattucks for hockey options.

I don't know where you're from but where I'm from, 32 year old star athletes don't have high school aged daughters.

She's going to kindergarten.
 

danielpalfredsson

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do ppl think w would be one of the teams after Duchene before the season kicks off?

maybe the rookie tournament acts as a scouting showcase for the Avs

The belief is, the Avs want Ottawa defenceman Cody Ceci, a first-round pick in 2017, along with one of the club’s two blue-chip prospects — Saint John blueliner Thomas Chabot or Boston College centre Colin White — plus a couple of other parts in return for Duchene or Landeskog.


http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/02/13...scenario-wouldnt-make-sense-for-ottawa-dorion

That was when our 2017 pick was looking to be in the 16-20 type range prior to the deadline.

The only way I can see us getting in on Duchene again is if Sakic needs an out from the hole he has dug for himself and wants to do a 1 for 1 deal for a forward who is under contract for a while or an upcoming RFA in order to wash his hands of Duchene because nobody is giving him the package he wants, and he can't just move Duchene for a subpar return after holding out for as long as he has. A similar situation to the Weber/Subban trade where Subban's upcoming NTC forced MTLs hands to pull the trigger on the Weber swap, but in this case Sakic is doing it not because of the NTC but because Duchene is about to hold out.

In that case, who do we have? That pretty much would mean either Stone or Hoffman for Duchene, no one else really makes much sense from a COL perspective.
 
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