Proposal: Trade Proposals
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Tysonson3
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He’s scoring at a .5ppg pace for us and almost always turns it up in the playoffs. Not the kind of guy we would give away barring a huge overpayment
Armourboy
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Sissons isnt going anywhere. Only way I see Poile doing it is if it's a serious overpayment he just can't say no too.
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No offense but why would you think the Preds would be looking to get rid of a roster player? We are expecting a playoff run of our own and consider ourselves to be in a Cup window for at least a couple more years.
Sissons is so versatile he is far more valuable playing for us than any reasonable trade pieces.
I was looking more towards the deadline or off-season. Probably more towards the off-season, as you said, Nashville is a contender and probably won’t trade a roster forward. Unless they got healthy up front and found a bigger need in defense for their bottom pairing?
Again wasn’t particularly sure of what Nashville would be looking for, but then, that’s why we have these threads, right?
Armourboy
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This is the type of deal it would take, and I'm being 100% serious.Sissons and a 2nd for Sam Reinharthow bad you want him
Roman Yoshi
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Unless *knock on wood* Ellis and Subban go down with injury, we will not need to add a defenseman.
NoNecksCurse
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i am okay with it. he looked pretty bad and lost his cool last years playoffs. it all comes down to the playoffs for me.
Hah well from the other thread I like our chances with the known vs the unknown.
Porter Stoutheart
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He's on pace for about 30 pts this season. And signed a nice cheap deal in the summer. It's pretty decent.
What else could we have done with that 1st pick is the main question. Without going back to refresh my memory about last year's rental market, I would submit that our team was basically off-kilter in the playoffs anyway, the way the 2nd line disappeared and the struggles with Josi/Ellis, and some more issues with Rinne in certain games. So I don't think we were going anywhere last year regardless of any rental pickup we might have used that 1st on instead of Hartman.
There were some decent prospects picked at #27 and beyond... I guess there would be trade-chip value in owning one of those prospects right now for a new rental trade this February. Right now, any team we trade with is going to zero in on Fabbro and Tolvanen. If we additionally had Veleno or Berggren or McIsaac or who knows whoever we might have picked in that spot... well, I think it would give us a lot more flexibility in seeking out a rental trade at the deadline this year without disintegrating our barren futures cupboard more.
So end of the day, I'm about as "okay" with it today as I was at the time. It was a bit of an eyebrow-raiser, not what I was expecting, but I'd rather have Hartman than a rental we only got 20 games out of in a year where we were already kind of a lost cause for the playoffs. It's highly speculative what we could have done had we just kept the pick instead and used it as a chip for a trade this year. Too highly speculative for me to lose any sleep over it. We might have been able to do a little better. Or more likely not. I was "somewhat ok" with the trade when it happened. I'm just that or maybe a tad better than that now.
predfan24
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I'm all in on the Stone train. Trade for him and sign him long term.
Porter Stoutheart
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Choo-choo! Guessing it would take at least the Johansen contract. But I'm ok with that.
JoFA
Fiala-Turris-Stone
Jarnkrok-Bonino-Smith
Watson-Sissons-Hartman
... hard to top that.
Hard to afford that too, of course. But we should have around $15M to sign Stone, Fiala, Sissons and Hartman. If the cap goes up to $84-85M. Or in this scenario $7M to divvy up between Fiala, Sissons, and Hartman. $2.5M each, give or take. $2.5M long-term for Sissons would be fine. $2.5M bridges for Fiala and Hartman would be fair-ish.
Not a total pipe dream to make this work anyway.
Guessing trade would be Tolvanen+1st as the starting point, plus a bit more. As hopeful as I am for Tolvanen, I would do this *IF* the signing of Stone was guaranteed. As just a rental, however... I'm still a little leery.
JoFA
Fiala-Turris-Stone
Jarnkrok-Bonino-Smith
Watson-Sissons-Hartman
... hard to top that.
Hard to afford that too, of course. But we should have around $15M to sign Stone, Fiala, Sissons and Hartman. If the cap goes up to $84-85M. Or in this scenario $7M to divvy up between Fiala, Sissons, and Hartman. $2.5M each, give or take. $2.5M long-term for Sissons would be fine. $2.5M bridges for Fiala and Hartman would be fair-ish.
Not a total pipe dream to make this work anyway.
Guessing trade would be Tolvanen+1st as the starting point, plus a bit more. As hopeful as I am for Tolvanen, I would do this *IF* the signing of Stone was guaranteed. As just a rental, however... I'm still a little leery.
predfan24
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I'm okay with trading Fiala in any potential deal. That second line badly needs a line driver. Every player we try on that line has their own niche in which they are good at but all of them depend on others to create time and space for them for the most part.
Bringer of Jollity
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I'm not too eager to see any deals until we get a few bodies back in the lineup. We're treading water and playing some mediocre hockey, but I don't know adding another winger (e.g. Stone) changes the overall picture right now. Get healthy and show we have that contender swagger back before we start mortgaging the little future we have left.
Porter Stoutheart
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Ottawa is not likely to oblige us now (if ever) anyway, so I only ever think of it as a trade deadline deal. But they have every reason to wait until the last possible minute before the deadline:
- make sure they really are missing the playoffs - and by as little as possible so that they try to minimize the shame factor from the pick they give Colorado
- see if they can sign Stone
- maximize the return with as much of a bidding war between contending teams as possible
- sell tickets and keep fans as engaged as long as they can before capitulating
Bringer of Jollity
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I know this is all fantasy GMing anyway, but I think Stone is a pipe-dream. If available, there's going to be a ton of teams willing and able to take him on and we don't tend to fare well in a "highest bidder" scenario (unless it's for bottom 6ers!).
Porter Stoutheart
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Well, the "tons" are at least limited by Ottawa likely still wanting to trade to the Western Conference, and then I don't know how many Western contenders project to at least be able to dream of shoehorning a big new contract for Stone into their budget for next year. For example, that's something a Winnipeg, say, would be less likely to envision. Or Edmonton. Or.... ? It only takes 1 team to outbid us, though. But at least we have the potential to be able to better rationalize a highest bid, given we could at least dare to hope to retain Stone long-term where for many other teams he could more likely only be looked at as a rental.
Anyway, it sure seems like there is potential for the market to hold plenty of alternative options for us as well. Stone, Panarin, Duchesne, Pavelski, Eberle, Skinner, Nyquist, Zuccarello, Nelson, Lee, Simmonds, Silfverberg... there are a fair number of impending-UFA forwards who could fit in a top-6 role. They won't all be on the deadline trade market, but it seems likely that enough of them might.
NoNecksCurse
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while i think that is a bit much, it is a relative point about our forwards in general.
with fiala regressing if anything and tolvanen obviously being overhyped, outside of JOFA, there is no forward on our team that can impact the game when it matters come playoff time. pushed around way too easy and not enough skill to make up for it.
with fiala regressing if anything and tolvanen obviously being overhyped, outside of JOFA, there is no forward on our team that can impact the game when it matters come playoff time. pushed around way too easy and not enough skill to make up for it.
Gh24
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Smith is strong on the boards, has a good shot and Turris is a good all-arounder with a decent shot too, but that line needs a good playmaker. That could be Fiala next year or something, but apparently not yet.
Target? Johansen type big body (Eric Stall, should Mild be selling at TDL?) or more Fiala type speedy playmaker a la Duchene maybe. How does Poile, Lavi & co see the situation, are they ready to give up what it takes to land one of these guys or do they believe we're on the verge to solve our issues and rather hold on to our assets or do they maybe wanna push for say Duchene and get him here sooner rather than later (aka offseason, if that's the plan in the first place)?
Target? Johansen type big body (Eric Stall, should Mild be selling at TDL?) or more Fiala type speedy playmaker a la Duchene maybe. How does Poile, Lavi & co see the situation, are they ready to give up what it takes to land one of these guys or do they believe we're on the verge to solve our issues and rather hold on to our assets or do they maybe wanna push for say Duchene and get him here sooner rather than later (aka offseason, if that's the plan in the first place)?
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