If Bergy makes a good trade that helps address the top 6 and doesn't cost a fortune then yes, he will get props. Just as he has always gotten praise when he makes a good trade; Petry trade, Vanek trade, Drouin trade, good moves get credit, contrary to popular belief.Going by Bergevin's overall moves, the more you hear about it, the less likely it will be that it's the move he ends up making, in the end.
However, it just goes to show that there might not be many obvious, young, talented top-6 C that are currently underused and overpaid on a team with looming Cap trouble
If Bergevin manages to add a young, talented top-6 C for a reasonable price and that this player is someone that nobody saw coming, I just hope that people stop feeding the propaganda that Bergevin is a stupid person.
That's just mean and hateful for no reason.
I'm thinking if Edm won't do Gally for Nudge, how about Lekhonen for Nudge. Makes less, bigger potential.
I wouldn't do that.
TBH, I'm not that big of a fan of RNH. He was completely useless in the playoffs. I remembered that I have to double check if he played all the game for the Oilers.. and I watched all the Oilers game.
He might be a natural C compared to Galchenyuk or Drouin but I much rather try them at C, they would even probably easily match RNH's production anyways, and keep Lehkonen.
I don't think RNH is the right C for us.
If Bergy makes a good trade that helps address the top 6 and doesn't cost a fortune then yes, he will get props. Just as he has always gotten praise when he makes a good trade; Petry trade, Vanek trade, Drouin trade, good moves get credit, contrary to popular belief.
On the other side, if MB ends up trading pick and prospect for Edler (vs just resigning Markov) or trades picks for Frans Neilsen, or 1st + Gallagher for a sort-of solution in RNH (vs. signing Shipachev and/or resigning Radulov for free) then please understand that most of us unhappy with MB's body of work will not be happy with more asset mismanagement.
And I'd hope that those who continually advocate for more reasoned discourse can understand that it's possible to rather have signed Shipachev or Hanzal as UFA, vs. spending significant assets for RNH, and we are not just mindlessly bashing everything MB does.
I'm thinking if Edm won't do Gally for Nudge, how about Lekhonen for Nudge. Makes less, bigger potential.
dude, we need somebody
I'd have a bigger problem doing that. For one, the Cap factor that Lehkonen would bring to the Oilers is as valuable to the Habs going forward, especially with Price's new contract and Weber's still long term contract.
I'd be ecstatic at the idea of aligning Lehkonen with McDavid if I were Chiarelli. Not only do I think that Lehkonen could score 30 -easily, even -- alongside McDavid, his limited Cap hit (in the short term at least) would instantly make the total cost of the Oils' first line normal again, cutting McDavid's Cap impact on that line almost in half!
Pass for me, I believe. I'd look for another option.
I admit it would pain me to do that. It's Gallagher or nothing.
I admit it would pain me to do that. It's Gallagher or nothing.
I'm thinking if Edm won't do Gally for Nudge, how about Lekhonen for Nudge. Makes less, bigger potential.
Last playoffs, we had three forwards who were obvious in heart/hustle, playoff hunger and delivery...Radulov, Gallagher, and Lehkonen (and Pleks for once scored a huge goal in playoffs, but still wasn't part of the big three).
I keep Gallagher, unless it's a center (Duchene) you shouldn't (imo) refuse for Gallagher. I don't have a crystal ball, but my money (Canadian Tire money!) is on Duchene (vs R. Nugent-Hopkins)...for playoff warrior/winner.
Not so sure about RNH in playoffs...I'd lean towards Duchene for playoffs...even though some of you will look at Matt's stats and think otherwise.
(I could be wrong about Duchene! my ego would be ok with it!).
I'd prefer to find a way to get Duchene AND keep Gallagher! (not easy, but...not impossible).
And, if Drouin AND Galchenyuk can be good CENTERS for us...why trade Gallagher for RNH, when maybe Drouin and Galchenyuk can be, will be better than RNH...especially in playoffs (Drouin's last 16 playoff games with Tampa were amazing...major playoff winner/warrior...major....I just hope he displays the same passion/grit/heart with us in playoffs).
Duchene for Pacioretty.
(we'd be way better in playoffs, imo).
Pleks (we eat $1-2mil) for __?__.
Best C depth in a long time:
<Drouin (center or winger?)
<Duchene (center/winger)
<Galchenyuk (center/winger)
<Danault (center/winger)
Seriously, I wouldn't bother with Mikko, but Staal would be interesting for a few seasons if the cost was affordable.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-red-wings-henrik-zetterberg-plans-retire-two-years/
Zetterberg doesn't plan on playing his full contract out, which could make him a bit more appealing trade-wise, for what it's worth.
Isn't this exactly what happened with Chucky?
Drouin at least played at center his entire last year in Junior where he managed to get 108 points in only 46 GP and 41 points in 16 GP in the PO.
Chucky didn't even play center in Sarnia before making the jump...
If he's willing to fulfill this, I wouldn't mind Henrik for a couple of years. He's on the decline sure, but the guy is a warrior and would help solidify the Center position for us while our youngsters continue to develop and we look for other solutions.
By him moving, he'd actually be helping the Wings rebuild. He loves Detroit and the organization, so it would be like a mutual gift. Something to consider anyways.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-red-wings-henrik-zetterberg-plans-retire-two-years/
Zetterberg doesn't plan on playing his full contract out, which could make him a bit more appealing trade-wise, for what it's worth.
The Wings are in cap hell and in complete rebuild mode, what would you guys give up for 2 years of Zetterberg?
If he's willing to fulfill this, I wouldn't mind Henrik for a couple of years. He's on the decline sure, but the guy is a warrior and would help solidify the Center position for us while our youngsters continue to develop and we look for other solutions.
By him moving, he'd actually be helping the Wings rebuild. He loves Detroit and the organization, so it would be like a mutual gift. Something to consider anyways.
Depends on what the Wings are looking for prospect wise . I don't think he'd be a big enough difference maker for us to give up some of our top guys ( I.e Poehling,Juulsen,Mete ) but if it's something around Scherbak, McCarron or Lindgren + then it's something to consider. With Sergachev gone we have to be careful with our assets.
Somebody to do what exactly? Win the regular season? We dont him then.
I just don't think he's what we need, like to win the cup, but if we are to bring him, I wouldn't trade Lehkonen for him.
I'd rather give Danault or Shaw.
Depends on what the Wings are looking for prospect wise . I don't think he'd be a big enough difference maker for us to give up some of our top guys ( I.e Poehling,Juulsen,Mete ) but if it's something around Scherbak, McCarron or Lindgren + then it's something to consider. With Sergachev gone we have to be careful with our assets.