Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread (Part VIII)

[Habs Halifax]

Assuming Fowler blocks a trade to Mtl and the Habs target Lindholm, what do you figure they’d have to add to Drouin to git ‘er done? I’m thinking the Habs could also soften the blow by taking back a toxic contract.

Lindholm = Drouin. An argument can be made that Drouin is worth more. 2 years younger and one more year in term. Cap hits are very similar. We need to be careful with how good Lindholm is. I think he is a solid top 4D but how much offense does he produce? Best seasons so far are 35 (+/-) pts. That's the potential I'm seeing.

Someone explain Lindhom's value. Are we talking Josi type guy with less offensive ability here?

I'm not so sure I would do Drouin for Lindholm. I rather dangle Gallagher.

 

[Habs Halifax]

MB scouting Anaheim has me incredibly worried that he will do something stupid like our 1st + for a very average defenseman in Fowler ffs

1st+ for Fowler is not a bad deal. You think we are hitting for sure with the 1st that looks like 15-22 range? Do you think we get better value with the 1st vs a guy like Fowler? All we need to do is put top 3 protection on the 1st.

I guess it all depends on what the + is eh.

I'd be more worried if he was going after Perry or Kesler

 

[vokiel]

I'd trade Poehling if Lindholm was coming back without any issues. Just don't touch our 1st, that's a riot waiting to happen.

I wouldn't touch Fowler with a 9 foot clown pole.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd trade Poehling if Lindholm was coming back without any issues. Just don't touch our 1st, that's a riot waiting to happen.

I wouldn't touch Fowler with a 9 foot clown pole.

Our 2019 1st < Poehling. You never ignore draft plus development. A player trending well always trumps a unknown and unproven asset at age 17/18. The only concern I have with trading the 1st is putting top 3 protection on on the very small chance we miss the playoffs and win one of the 1st 3 spots. Unlikely but possible... better be save than sorry.

 

[vokiel]

Our 2019 1st < Poehling. You never ignore draft plus development. A player trending well always trumps a unknown and unproven asset at age 17/18. The only concern I have with trading the 1st is putting top 3 protection on on the very small chance we miss the playoffs and win one of the 1st 3 spots. Unlikely but possible... better be save than sorry.

Maybe, but I don't care, I think players in this first round will have better development figures than Poehling. I just don't see the hands in Poehling to make him untouchable and there's also a nagging feeling that we won't stick at center in the NHL, starting on the left wing most probably.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Maybe, but I don't care, I think players in this first round will have better development figures than Poehling. I just don't see the hands in Poehling to make him untouchable and there's also a nagging feeling that we won't stick at center in the NHL, starting on the left wing most probably.

Poehling is a keeper. You are drooling over offense a bit too much IMO. Habs need 200' players who has some offensive ability. Let me guess, you think Suzuki is better than Poehling cause he is producing points in the CHL while Poehling is producing less in the NCAA playing against men?

Poehling has been proving the doubters wrong since the day we drafted him. He's developing very well IMO.

Remember the stuff people said about Tkachuk? They ignored his world juniors play and looked at his NCAA numbers which were less than Poehling last year.

 

[jaffy27]

Maybe, but I don't care, I think players in this first round will have better development figures than Poehling. I just don't see the hands in Poehling to make him untouchable and there's also a nagging feeling that we won't stick at center in the NHL, starting on the left wing most probably.

I respect your opinion but I’m keeping him.

I believe centre is exactly where he’ll end up....he’s scored some beauties in the NCAA and he’s got that great hand eye coordination.

Plus he’s won the best forward in the WJC

Now of course all this means nothing if it don’t transfer itself to the NHL but I’d rather have him win that distinction than not.

 

[CHarlie]

I remember bergevin having a trade at the draft for our first until he found out Poeling was still available.....he then sprinted up to the podium to select him.......no way he trades him away.... gauranteed

 

[vokiel]

Poehling is a keeper. You are drooling over offense a bit too much IMO. Habs need 200' players who has some offensive ability. Let me guess, you think Suzuki is better than Poehling cause he is producing points in the CHL while Poehling is producing less in the NCAA playing against men?

Poehling has been proving the doubters wrong since the day we drafted him. He's developing very well IMO.

Remember the stuff people said about Tkachuk? They ignored his world juniors play and looked at his NCAA numbers which were less than Poehling last year.

No Suzuki is not untouchable either. I would package him for Lindholm without any issues. The 200' thing is marketing at best, Higgins was 200' foot as well and he didn't stick at center very long. If we can get a top LD, Poehling or Suzuki shouldn't be untouchable.

 

[Runner77]

I remember bergevin having a trade at the draft for our first until he found out Poeling was still available.....he then sprinted up to the podium to select him.......no way he trades him away.... gauranteed

I had forgotten about that. A team had approached Bergevin cause a player they wanted was still available and if I remember correctly, Bergevin told them that if the player the Habs wanted was still available at their slot, he wouldn't move the pick.

 

[Tim Wallach]

This is why I gave up on trade discussions on HF. On the main boards someone posted a ludicrous offer of Poehling, Romanov, 1st and Alzner for Fowler and Comtois. Yes, I know ditching the Alzner money is good, but the fact that most fans of other teams said the Ducks wouldn't take that is ridiculous. That's a potential coup for the Ducks. Fowler is over-rated in my opinion and having a poor year. What team gives up their top two prospects and a 1st in any deal? Let alone for a question mark on a big deal.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

- Myers
- Frost
- Konecky

FOR



- Petry
- 2019 first
- Lindgren

 

[Runner77]

Man, Lindholm would be quite the acquisition. 6'3, 208 lbs., 25 years old.

Forecaster:

Owns a great combination of size and skating ability for the back end. Has a lot of ability as a shutdown defender, as well as pretty good offensive acumen. Can log huge minutes, in all game situations. Could stand to become a little more aggressive defenseman, both in terms of physical play as well as to add some more offensive production to his overall arsenal. Should shoot the puck more, too.

Long Range Potential: Talented, big-minute defenseman with upside. [TBODY] [/TBODY]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[jaffy27]

I had forgotten about that. A team had approached Bergevin cause a player they wanted was still available and if I remember correctly, Bergevin told them that if the player the Habs wanted was still available at their slot, he wouldn't move the pick.

Wasn’t it Buffalo?

 

[Deebs]

Despite that, if I had to speculate - Silfverberg, Fowler and Lindholm are all guys I could see in a habs uniform.

Why would Bergevin be concerned about scouting these teams prior to games unless he was also looking at their roster?

The Ducks are sellers at this deadline for sure. Maybe one of their two LHD in Fowler and Lindholm are available. I'd give a first this year and whatever else not a top WJC prospect for one of them any day.

Exactly. ..Bergy doesn't really scout unless there could be something happening.

 

[vokiel]

- Myers
- Frost
- Konecky

FOR



- Petry
- 2019 first
- Lindgren

Nope, not trading Petry unless a legit 1st comes back and you're just destroying this by hocking ours.

 

[Deebs]

- Myers
- Frost
- Konecky

FOR



- Petry
- 2019 first
- Lindgren

Terrible

 

[jaffy27]

This is why I gave up on trade discussions on HF. On the main boards someone posted a ludicrous offer of Poehling, Romanov, 1st and Alzner for Fowler and Comtois. Yes, I know ditching the Alzner money is good, but the fact that most fans of other teams said the Ducks wouldn't take that is ridiculous. That's a potential coup for the Ducks. Fowler is over-rated in my opinion and having a poor year. What team gives up their top two prospects and a 1st in any deal? Let alone for a question mark on a big deal.

There’s a French name in there so naturally people think we’ll cut off our legs to get that French speaking player.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No Suzuki is not untouchable either. I would package him for Lindholm without any issues. The 200' thing is marketing at best, Higgins was 200' foot as well and he didn't stick at center very long. If we can get a top LD, Poehling or Suzuki shouldn't be untouchable.

Nobody is untouchable cause we don't have stars like McDavid. But I 100% disagree about your 200' comment being marketing. Something tells me that you are a loafer when you play hockey? Players who are good at both ends of the ice are very valuable... come on man!

 

[vokiel]

This is why I gave up on trade discussions on HF. On the main boards someone posted a ludicrous offer of Poehling, Romanov, 1st and Alzner for Fowler and Comtois. Yes, I know ditching the Alzner money is good, but the fact that most fans of other teams said the Ducks wouldn't take that is ridiculous. That's a potential coup for the Ducks. Fowler is over-rated in my opinion and having a poor year. What team gives up their top two prospects and a 1st in any deal? Let alone for a question mark on a big deal.

I agree that is an absurd proposal. I don't mind dangling Poehling or Suzuki but that's keeping our 1st rounders and our most promising LDs.

 

[Runner77]

Wasn’t it Buffalo?

I think it was the Stars, cause they made a deal where they acquired Chicago's pick, which was right behind the Habs:

Traded • 2017 first round pick (#29-Henri Jokiharju) • 2017 third round pick (#70-Andrei Altybarmakyan) to Blackhawks for • 2017 first round pick (#26-Jake Oettinger) on 2017-06-23

 

[vokiel]

Nobody is untouchable cause we don't have stars like McDavid. But I 100% disagree about your 200' comment being marketing. Something tells me that you are a loafer when you play hockey? Players who are good at both ends of the ice are very valuable... come on man!

That's why it's marketing BS, who's going to disagree with a vaguely positive label on a player like that?

It doesn't describe half of Poehling's game imho.

 

[Deebs]

Man, Lindholm would be quite the acquisition. 6'3, 208 lbs., 25 years old.

Forecaster:

Owns a great combination of size and skating ability for the back end. Has a lot of ability as a shutdown defender, as well as pretty good offensive acumen. Can log huge minutes, in all game situations. Could stand to become a little more aggressive defenseman, both in terms of physical play as well as to add some more offensive production to his overall arsenal. Should shoot the puck more, too.

Long Range Potential: Talented, big-minute defenseman with upside. [TBODY] [/TBODY]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I'd prefer Fowler to Lindholm, but either will do

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's why it's marketing BS, who's going to disagree with a vaguely positive label on a player like that?

It doesn't describe half of Poehling's game imho.

We are far apart on this one. The strength to Poehling's game is commitment to the 200' game and being defensive aware as a center while he chips in on offense from time to time.

I'm shocked that you think our 2019 1st (15-22 range) is worth more than Poehling or Suzuki.

 

[vokiel]

We are far apart on this one. The strength to Poehling's game is commitment to the 200' game and being defensive aware as a center while he chips in on offense from time to time.

I'm shocked that you think our 2019 1st (15-22 range) is worth more than Poehling or Suzuki.

You can find players on which to fit this BS label in every draft at the end of the 1st round. There's nothing that warrants an untouchable there, unless you're trading your 1st for some miss-guided playoff run. That's too much of a gamble to me. I think this draft is going to equal 2007, so.. I'd rather do the pick.