Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread (Part III)

[40 STANLEYCUPS NOT24]

Very curious to see what Matthews and Marner get for contracts. I think either Kapanen or Gardiner are gone. They are also banking on all their prospects on D reaching their ceiling.

Key points:
- 12 players signed with $26.75M in cap space next year with a salary cap of $83M
- Matthews gets $11M min
- Marner gets $9M min
- 14 players signed with $6.75M in cap space
- Horton's uninsured contract frees up $5.3M making it $12M. But it's easier said then done using his cap space in the summer before the season starts. There are risks and limitations and there isa reason why the Blackhawks unloaded the Hossa contract.
- How much does Kapanen and Gardiner ask for?
- What does the D look like without Gardiner? Rielly, Zaitsev, Dermott, Ozhiganov, and Liljegren and Sandin.

Comes down to 9 players to sign with about $10-$12M in cap space. That's barely $1M per player and does not subtract what Gardiner or Kapanen get. Cap hell is about to begin!

It has nothing to do with my statement, other than they are the LAFFS. And, it's easy to laugh at them, even now. They likely will NOT win the Stanley Cup this year, and then, next year, they will have to start to dismantle their team if they want to keep 4 players...LOL. If that is not funny, I don't know what is.

 

[Habs Halifax]

just reread part of the article. Their source is Bob McKenzie, and he reports they're working on an 8 year deal worth 8-9 million per year.

Well if Bob is the source, it's more likely to be true than false. Bob steers clear from the creating a story that is not there.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

No signing problem? What do you mean?

As far as trading Nylander. It's very possible. But what salary do they get back? Unless they are trading him for futures, they will be getting a guy who makes $4.5M+ more likely. Is the $2M in savings by trading Nylander enough to keep both Kapanen and Gardiner and also improve the depth on D? It's very tight no matter how you spin it buddy

They will most likely aim for a d-man less proven but with really good ++ at like 20-21 year olds

and they are gonna run liljgren to save money and put out Hainsey + Gardiner and Marleau will follow up next season , rumours about Brown getting traded too. they will eat enough cap.

Id be more worried about Winnipeg imo

 

[Sterling Archer]

For the most part I agree, but there's a balance to be found beyond just maximizing young assets. For example having Tatar on the team allows us a more offensive minded 3rd line which benefits the development of Kotkaniemi, and I'd argue his development is way more important to us becoming a contender then adding another late 1st would be.

But on the flip side sitting around with only the picks the league gives you is not enough to build a contender either, so you have to find that sweet spot where you add extra picks while still having enough support for the young players so that they aren't thrown to the wolves.

You also have to factor in how much a losing culture negatively impacts players, and trading one of your top player while sitting in a playoff spot can sour a team culture fast. So you might instead trade for young NHLers who haven't broken out quite yet.

Very well put. The idea is to have not just picks but solid prospects as well. Guys like Suzuki coming back the other way to add to the young gets we already have.

Getting older more established players is easy to do in the UFA market or as a salary dump from other teams. But fact is we need a LOT of young cheap talent if we hope to build a contender

 

[Habs Halifax]

They will most likely aim for a d-man less proven but with really good ++ at like 20-21 year olds

and they are gonna run liljgren to save money and put out Hainsey + Gardiner and Marleau will follow up next season , rumours about Brown getting traded too. they will eat enough cap.

Id be more worried about Winnipeg imo

- Hainsey needs a new contract. You think you will get him for less than $2M? And he is 38 next year man. Time is running out for him.
- Liljegren is 20 next year and will have two AHL years under his belt. How does he look in his first 63 AHL games? 23 pts and 3 goals. That's like a prorated 30 pts for 82 games and were talking AHL here. You think he is NHL ready next year? We will see
- Sandin is 19 next year. Looks like he is off to a good AHL start. 6 pts and 4 goals in 10 games. Is he NHL ready next year at age 19?

So you say they will aim for less proven but really good ++ 20/21 year olds? I guess the plan is to pick up other teams spare parts they were willing to dump and Babcock turns them into studs? Come on man. This kind of thinking insults a lot of GM's in the league. It's not that easy to build a solid D. It comes down to $10-$12M of cap space to sign both Kapanen and Gardiner and 7 other players. Do the math. It don't add up

Jets have Laine and Trouba to sign with the same cap space the Leafs have and they have to sign Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Gardiner. It's not the same situation

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

- Hainsey needs a new contract. You think you will get him for less than $2M? And he is 38 next year man. Time is running out for him.
- Liljegren is 20 next year and will have two AHL years under his belt. How does he look in his first 63 AHL games? 23 pts and 3 goals. That's like a prorated 30 pts for 82 games and were talking AHL here. You think he is NHL ready next year? We will see
- Sandin is 19 next year. Looks like he is off to a good AHL start. 6 pts and 4 goals in 10 games. Is he NHL ready next year at age 19?

So you say they will aim for less proven but really good ++ 20/21 year olds? I guess the plan is to pick up other teams spare parts they were willing to dump and Babcock turns them into studs? Come on man. This kind of thinking insults a lot of GM's in the league. It's not that easy to build a solid D. It comes down to $10-$12M of cap space to sign both Kapanen and Gardiner and 7 other players. Do the math. It don't add up

Jets have Laine and Trouba to sign with the same cap space the Leafs have and they have to sign Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Gardiner. It's not the same situation

I said Hainsey will be gone
Liljegren and Sandin could start , its not like leafs have a good D right now. They have a good goalie.

But man they got more than 12m to sign all those players lol.

 

[The Great Weal]

Lol.

"Hey guys, do you want a 19 year old top pairing D who skates like the wind for a bunch of replaceable parts" ?

I think the fact that some habs fans wouldnt do it is funnier

 

[thegoalie39]

- Hainsey needs a new contract. You think you will get him for less than $2M? And he is 38 next year man. Time is running out for him.
- Liljegren is 20 next year and will have two AHL years under his belt. How does he look in his first 63 AHL games? 23 pts and 3 goals. That's like a prorated 30 pts for 82 games and were talking AHL here. You think he is NHL ready next year? We will see
- Sandin is 19 next year. Looks like he is off to a good AHL start. 6 pts and 4 goals in 10 games. Is he NHL ready next year at age 19?

So you say they will aim for less proven but really good ++ 20/21 year olds? I guess the plan is to pick up other teams spare parts they were willing to dump and Babcock turns them into studs? Come on man. This kind of thinking insults a lot of GM's in the league. It's not that easy to build a solid D. It comes down to $10-$12M of cap space to sign both Kapanen and Gardiner and 7 other players. Do the math. It don't add up

Jets have Laine and Trouba to sign with the same cap space the Leafs have and they have to sign Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Gardiner. It's not the same situation

Jets also have Connor to sign he had 31 goals last year.

 

[thegoalie39]

Very curious to see what Matthews and Marner get for contracts. I think either Kapanen or Gardiner are gone. They are also banking on all their prospects on D reaching their ceiling.

Key points:
- 12 players signed with $26.75M in cap space next year with a salary cap of $83M
- Matthews gets $11M min
- Marner gets $9M min
- 14 players signed with $6.75M in cap space
- Horton's uninsured contract frees up $5.3M making it $12M. But it's easier said then done using his cap space in the summer before the season starts. There are risks and limitations and there isa reason why the Blackhawks unloaded the Hossa contract.
- How much does Kapanen and Gardiner ask for?
- What does the D look like without Gardiner? Rielly, Zaitsev, Dermott, Ozhiganov, and Liljegren and Sandin.

Comes down to 9 players to sign with about $10-$12M in cap space. That's barely $1M per player and does not subtract what Gardiner or Kapanen get. Cap hell is about to begin!

If Matthews and Marner get to July 1st they will get a lot more,they will both get offer sheets.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Matthews and Marner get to July 1st they will get a lot more,they will both get offer sheets.

That's why I said min amounts.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Jets also have Connor to sign he had 31 goals last year.

Jets have work to do as well. But it's not the same situation as the Leafs.

 

[Mrb1p]

Let's trade Petry to help fill the hole that Petry is filling

What hole is Petry filling ?

2nd pair RD ? Fleury, Juulsen, Brook can fill that up.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Toronto has no signing problem + Nylander will be mostly traded.

Wanna bet??

Never mind, you don’t pay your debts when you lose.

 

[blarneylad]

We will see if/when that happens. The minute the Sens get cheap, Duchene says he will test UFA. Sens need to come in at $8M as a starting point IMO. Not sure if they are willing to do this but they also need him so they might.

If they don't they are admitting to their fanbase that they are too cheap to contend

 

[RealityBytes]

If Matthews and Marner get to July 1st they will get a lot more,they will both get offer sheets.

Doubt they will sign them ... Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, and most of the Leafs want to play together. You'll probably see a bridge or two till Marleau is gone.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If they don't they are admitting to their fanbase that they are too cheap to contend

Think they already did by trading Karlsson

 

[blarneylad]

Think they already did by trading Karlsson

I doubt Karlsson had desires to stay.

When is he eligible to extend with San Jose?

 

[yianik]

I doubt Karlsson had desires to stay.

When is he eligible to extend with San Jose?

Since the season ended I think. I thought he said that he didn't want to talk contract until January.

 

[Vachon23]

Should probably wait until Brook proves he can play in the NHL lol

Great point !

 

[Habs Halifax]

I doubt Karlsson had desires to stay.

When is he eligible to extend with San Jose?

New year sometime I believe... if they want to capitalize on the 8 year term. I don't believe there is nothing stopping them for a 7 year extension at the moment.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Should probably wait until Brook proves he can play in the NHL lol

Good point but take Petry out of the picture and we still have Weber, Juulsen, Fleury, Brook on the right side. Brook can be Weber's replacement in 4 or 5 years if he develops well.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Doubt they will sign them ... Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, and most of the Leafs want to play together. You'll probably see a bridge or two till Marleau is gone.

Who's getting bridged other than Kapanen?

I do agree that the core prefers to stay in Toronto and likely does not sign any offers sheets. However, if the Leafs get super cheap in contract negotiations, they might consider the offer sheet. The issue here is what player is the Leafs losing between Nylander, Gardiner, Kapanen. They can't afford all 3. If they trade Nylander for help on D, they are likely taking on salary back and saving what? $2M

At the end of the day it comes down to $10-$12M in cap space with 9 players to sign (including Kapanen and Gardiner). Haisney is 38 next year and looking for a new contract. Rielly, Zaitsev, and Dermott are the only 3 pieces locked up for next year. Gardiner is likely gone or Nylander is traded for a piece on D but it's still very tight.

Depth will be their problems. Especially on D. They also have not gotten hit with any major injuries on D for a few years now. It's bound to happen at some point

 

[Sterling Archer]

I doubt Karlsson had desires to stay.

When is he eligible to extend with San Jose?

I honestly think he’s have taken a contract in Ottawa. He genuinely seemed to love it there and looked devastated after he was traded.

That was all Melnyk wanting to save some coin. Too bad because looks like Duchene is rounding into form and they have some great young talent. Would’ve been a lot better with Karlsson then now and what they got in return.

 

[loudi94]

Doubt they will sign them ... Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, and most of the Leafs want to play together. You'll probably see a bridge or two till Marleau is gone.

They don't have to sign the offer sheets...it gives them the leverage over the Leafs. Had Nylander been given an offer of $8M, then on December 1st, he signs it and voila. Leafs will most likely be sitting on $75M for 9 players next season

 

[Habs Halifax]

I honestly think he’s have taken a contract in Ottawa. He genuinely seemed to love it there and looked devastated after he was traded.

That was all Melnyk wanting to save some coin. Too bad because looks like Duchene is rounding into form and they have some great young talent. Would’ve been a lot better with Karlsson then now and what they got in return.

I think the Sens got scared on either being sucked into a monster contract (like Price with us) and they were worried about prolonged contract negotiations where the player walked for nothing like Tavares.

I think the Sens had a number in their mind in terms of AAV and once they realize that Karlsson was asking for much more, they decided to move on. Karlsson was shocked cause he thought they would cave like most teams do.

Sens being cheap on Turris also created the Duchene trade mess.