Habby Gilmore
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Trading down is a terrible idea, why do people keep bringing it up? What team has ever come out on top a deal where they traded down? We sucked all year for that pick, take BPA at #3.
Ducks, traded down from 22 in 2011 to pickup 30 & 39Trading down is a terrible idea, why do people keep bringing it up? What team has ever come out on top a deal where they traded down? We sucked all year for that pick, take BPA at #3.
Petry, Big Mac and a 2ndRedwings are willing to trade the 6th pick ...I think we should go for it ,,,,
They want to trade down, but not too far. I'm thinking Kotkaniemi.Redwings are willing to trade the 6th pick ...I think we should go for it ,,,,
Why would Detroit trade the 6th overall pick?Redwings are willing to trade the 6th pick ...I think we should go for it ,,,,
Trading down is a terrible idea, why do people keep bringing it up? What team has ever come out on top a deal where they traded down? We sucked all year for that pick, take BPA at #3.
Why?
His play has heavily declined (not just this year) and signing him after his sweetheart deal is likely to be expensive. He doesn't have a lot going for him other than his fast release, he's a fine skater, but not to the extent that he pressures defensemen and his passing seems to have gone downhill the past few years.
Combine this with his clear failures as a Captain since wearing the C. It really is time to move on from Patches.
So why not move him for whatever you can get (futures wise)?? Plenty of mid firsts have panned out to be great players.
Why would Detroit trade the 6th overall pick?
They are well positioned in 2018 and 2019 at the draft, they have Nyquist and Kronwall UFAs in 2019, which should return at least another 1st and 2nd at the deadline next year. I think they will take time to rebuild. Detroit has 12 players over 30 years old, 6 guys 34 and older, and one player under 23, at 21 years old. They are in worst shape than we are I think looking at all their NTC and NMC.
Trading down is a terrible idea, why do people keep bringing it up? What team has ever come out on top a deal where they traded down? We sucked all year for that pick, take BPA at #3.
they said that they are willing to trade down but betwen 6 th to 10 thRedwings are willing to trade the 6th pick ...I think we should go for it ,,,,
If you have 8 guys that all are extremely close in terms of BPA, then getting say a late 1st and either still getting the player you want or someone slightly less. Lets say they like Zadina but think Dobson will be just as good but they know one team wants Zadina badly and is willing to overpay and instead of drafting just Zadina, they get Dobson and Sandin? It's not a terrible idea, it's a risky one that you need to be creative and lucky, things I don't expect to be said about MB so I don't see them happening but it could work out well in theory.
And how many pts would he get with us..kessel is a good add to a team thats already good. Hes not what we need, patches for picks and prospectsI know it's not the direction most posters want to go with the rebuild and all, but what would you be willing to add to Pacioretty in a trade for Kessel? He's coming off a 92 point season but it's hard to estimate his value playing with Malkin, and there's also rumors Pitt wants to trade him
Pacioretty (re-signed) + 35 + 39 +?
I know it's not the direction most posters want to go with the rebuild and all, but what would you be willing to add to Pacioretty in a trade for Kessel? He's coming off a 92 point season but it's hard to estimate his value playing with Malkin, and there's also rumors Pitt wants to trade him
Pacioretty (re-signed) + 35 + 39 +?
I know it's not the direction most posters want to go with the rebuild and all, but what would you be willing to add to Pacioretty in a trade for Kessel? He's coming off a 92 point season but it's hard to estimate his value playing with Malkin, and there's also rumors Pitt wants to trade him
Pacioretty (re-signed) + 35 + 39 +?
we need a center back for pacio or a top D
and a young 1
not a 32y olds kessel
No, Kessel is not "so good". He only looks "so good" because he's surrounded by elite players like Crosby and Malkin. It's the same reason why Eller looks "so good" on the Caps with Ovechkin and Company or why Shaw looked good in Chicago when he was surrounded by guys such as Kane, Toews and Hossa. When Kessel was a Leaf he was just "Phat Phil Kessel" and fans hated him for underachieving. If Bergevin goes after him, that's the Kessel he's going to get, not the Pittsburgh version. Kessel is only as good as the players around him.No doubt. But Kessel is so good, I'd almost make an acception if we could do a Pacioretty-Kessel swap (which Pittsburgh won't want anyways).
Would love to see players like Galchenyuk, Drouin, Scherbak, Gallagher, and Zadina? get the chance to play with Kessel.
It's also the same reason Pacioretty is going to blow up on a better team when he's eventually traded from the Habs.No, Kessel is not "so good". He only looks "so good" because he's surrounded by elite players like Crosby and Malkin. It's the same reason why Eller looks "so good" on the Caps with Ovechkin and Company or why Shaw looked good in Chicago when he was surrounded by guys such as Kane, Toews and Hossa. When Kessel was a Leaf he was just "Phat Phil Kessel" and fans hated him for underachieving. If Bergevin goes after him, that's the Kessel he's going to get, not the Pittsburgh version. Kessel is only as good as the players around him.
Exactly. This is the essential difference between elite players and good supporting players. Elite players are elite wherever and with whomever they play. You put Ovechkin or Crosby on any team and they're going to play the same way. Guys like Pacioretty and Kessel need other players to make them better. They can't return the favor by making others around them better.It's also the same reason Pacioretty is going to blow up on a better team when he's eventually traded from the Habs.
But the thing is you still place a guy 3rd on your list. Whether or not the others are close, he’s still the 3rd best. You have four 2nds if they want to move back up for a late 1st. I say you take the guy you seem the 3rd best in a strong draft class and hope some guys you rate in the 1st drop to your 2nds, which is bound to happen.
they said that they are willing to trade down but betwen 6 th to 10 th