Speculation: Trade & Free Agency Talk XXXVII

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What do you like about Guerin?
Mostly that he isn’t Fenton.

on a serious point though, I thought he got great value for Zucker. I also think the way he handled the Parise trade was correct. I say that as someone that wanted the trade to happen. He saw the terms change last second, and instead of completing the trade with a weaker return he backed out. I feel like other GMs would just pull the trigger *cough* Fenton *cough*.

of course we haven’t seen too much from him I think he conducts himself very well in interviews. He doesn’t act like he knows too much and is willing to give tasks to his employees. I really like the hire in Judd Brackett.

lastly I think he did a good job at negotiating the Spurgeon contract. I think he could’ve gotten a lot more money(Trouba got 8 mil for heaven’s sake) , of course we don’t know if it was spurgeon taking a haircut for the good of the team though.

Ill be the first to admit that we need to see more, but so far I like the hire. At this point in Fenton’s career I already knew he was a mistake.
 
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Cirelli was getting roasted badly by the Bergeron line that Cooper had to start matching the Point line against them instead.

Analytically, Cirelli has been the worst forward this game.
 
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Cirelli was getting roasted badly by the Bergeron line that Cooper had to start matching the Point line against them instead.

Analytically, Cirelli has been the worst forward this game.

He hasn't been good in general in the playoffs. Which isn't surprising, he's still only a 3C.
 

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Cirelli was getting roasted badly by the Bergeron line that Cooper had to start matching the Point line against them instead.

Analytically, Cirelli has been the worst forward this game.
Hasn’t been good in my limited viewings
 

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Mostly that he isn’t Fenton.

on a serious point though, I thought he got great value for Zucker. I also think the way he handled the Parise trade was correct. I say that as someone that wanted the trade to happen. He saw the terms change last second, and instead of completing the trade with a weaker return he backed out. I feel like other GMs would just pull the trigger *cough* Fenton *cough*.

of course we haven’t seen too much from him I think he conducts himself very well in interviews. He doesn’t act like he knows too much and is willing to give tasks to his employees. I really like the hire in Judd Brackett.

lastly I think he did a good job at negotiating the Spurgeon contract. I think he could’ve gotten a lot more money(Trouba got 8 mil for heaven’s sake) , of course we don’t know if it was spurgeon taking a haircut for the good of the team though.

Ill be the first to admit that we need to see more, but so far I like the hire. At this point in Fenton’s career I already knew he was a mistake.
Fenton did much more in less time than Guerin has had.
Zucker trade was a good trade.
The handling of the Parise saga was the worst possible way he could've handled it. Even if the terms fell all the way to Ladd for Parise straight up? That's a huge win for Minnesota.
Brackett was a good hire that hopefully ends up being an outstanding hire.
Spurgeon contract is terrible.
 

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Fenton did much more in less time than Guerin has had.
Zucker trade was a good trade.
The handling of the Parise saga was the worst possible way he could've handled it. Even if the terms fell all the way to Ladd for Parise straight up? That's a huge win for Minnesota.
Brackett was a good hire that hopefully ends up being an outstanding hire.
Spurgeon contract is terrible.
Awesome so you know exactly what happened in the Parise-Ladd trade?
 

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Fenton did much more in less time than Guerin has had.
Zucker trade was a good trade.
The handling of the Parise saga was the worst possible way he could've handled it. Even if the terms fell all the way to Ladd for Parise straight up? That's a huge win for Minnesota.
Brackett was a good hire that hopefully ends up being an outstanding hire.
Spurgeon contract is terrible.

Not everybody hates Parise on a personal level.
 

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I know we all dislike Parise at ES, but he still put up 25 goals last year and would be viable as a bottom 6 PP specialist. Trading him straight across for Ladd is not a win even if the contract situation benefits us. There needs to be additional value when you're giving up a guy who can still score 20 goals. A 1st would be ideal, going back to the NYI well, is Bellows worth it? He's probably not going to amount to much. They don't really have a whole lot else that would be appropriate for both sides.
 
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Not everybody hates Parise on a personal level.
Saves $2M on the cap per year
Saves 2 years on the term of the contract
Saves a spot for the expansion draft
Saves having the worst 5 on 5 forward from playing the most 5 on 5 minutes on the team
Gets the problem out of the locker room

I would call that a huge win
 

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I wonder if the Isles would trade Bolduc or Salo, or if they're of any interest to us. Bolduc would possibly be better cause he'll have a few more years before he's NHL ready
 

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Fenton did much more in less time than Guerin has had.
Zucker trade was a good trade.
The handling of the Parise saga was the worst possible way he could've handled it. Even if the terms fell all the way to Ladd for Parise straight up? That's a huge win for Minnesota.
Brackett was a good hire that hopefully ends up being an outstanding hire.
Spurgeon contract is terrible.
True, but what was positive?

Fiala? Yes, but Minnesota should’ve gotten more

rask? Lol, I guess we saved some cap space.

Donato? Maybe, if he didn’t construct a team with no room for him.

Zucc? I like the player, and I wouldn’t hate the years if there was no NMC. With that NMC it’s terrible.

hartman? Sure, I don’t hate the signing.

Filip Johansson? I feel for the kid. No reason he should’ve been put in that position. Wasted pick when there were players like joe Veleno were available.

Extending Staal instead of getting the first and extending Stalock. Were dumb. I’m not as low on Stalock signing because it was cheap and we did it for expansion draft reason. However, it reeks of one of us deals.

I’d argue he did more damage than help. I could only imagine what Guerin could’ve gotten out of these moves.
 

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Saves $2M on the cap per year
Saves 2 years on the term of the contract
Saves a spot for the expansion draft
Saves having the worst 5 on 5 forward from playing the most 5 on 5 minutes on the team

Gets the problem out of the locker room

I would call that a huge win


Who you gonna use his protection slot on?

Evason can make that change too without trading him for a pure cap dump.

I don't think anyone is unaware of or denying the contract situation advantages, but for a team that struggles to score and has a mediocre PP, he's still a weapon there that adds 20+ goals per season. No one is going to dump that for a pure cap dump. If the rumors are true, we were on the verge of getting a valuable future asset in the return. Why would Guerin go from getting that to getting nothing? Why wouldn't he try to get an actual asset somewhere?
 
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I know we all dislike Parise at ES, but he still put up 25 goals last year and would be viable as a bottom 6 PP specialist. Trading him straight across for Ladd is not a win even if the contract situation benefits us. There needs to be additional value when you're giving up a guy who can still score 20 goals. A 1st would be ideal, going back to the NYI well, is Bellows worth it? He's probably not going to amount to much. They don't really have a whole lot else that would be appropriate for both sides.
Bellows doesn’t do much for me. Just another Greenway/Donato. Like you said Parise still adds value as a PP specialist even if he is overpaid. Ladd is just dead money. It’d have to be a 1st, but I don’t think the value is that warped because Parise’s contract is crap too. Parise + 3rd for Ladd + 1st, maybe
 

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Bellows doesn’t do much for me. Just another Greenway/Donato. Like you said Parise still adds value as a PP specialist even if he is overpaid. Ladd is just dead money. It’d have to be a 1st, but I don’t think the value is that warped because Parise’s contract is crap too. Parise + 3rd for Ladd + 1st, maybe

I'm fine with that. Problem is I don't see the Islanders being interested anymore. They don't have the cap space anymore. The Pageau deal sank the Parise to the Islanders dream. I really think we're stuck with him.
 

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Parise for Ladd + Leddy hopefully get a decent asset added.
Brodin or Dumba goes at the draft.
 

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Me too, the available centers are likely a lot less valuable than either Dumba or Brodin though.
And that's where Guerin needs to earn his paycheck. Sitting around for the next 5 years like the Wild did for the last 5 years saying things like "right now might not be the ideal time to trade for a center" isn't really working.
 

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There is a no Bellows rule for this team. Trust me on this one.

Remember at the draft that many thought we would take the local boy rather than Kunin?
 
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