Speculation: Trade & Free Agency Talk XLI

[Bazeek]

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[16thOverallSaveUs]

Bazeek was quick to the draw on that last thread.

 

[2Pair]

Friedman on NHL network just said that he's hearing that Dubois really wants out of Cbus, and that he wants out sooner than later.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Friedman on NHL network just said that he's hearing that Dubois really wants out of Cbus, and that he wants out sooner than later.

Drop any teams that are in play? Still pushing Winnipeg?

 

[2Pair]

Drop any teams that are in play? Still pushing Winnipeg?

They didn't really speculate on trade possibilities, but Friedman sure seemed convinced that him leaving will happen. Also sounds like Dubois wants it to happen asap.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Shit. How do we do it without any of the big 4.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Shit. How do we do it without any of the big 4.

what does CBJ really need besides obviously Center if they are trading him?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This offer probably sucks but whatever:

Bonino (cap purposes, CY positional replacement, potential 1st/2nd round pick)
Khusnutdinov (recent 2nd rounder, longer term mid 6 center possibility)
Our 1st (top 3ish protected)
Pittsburgh’s 1st

So, potentially 2-3 1sts and a good (not great) prospect of the same position. Not sure if I’d even do it; just tossing it out there.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

what does CBJ really need besides obviously Center if they are trading him?

That’s the rub.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

This offer probably sucks but whatever:

Bonino (cap purposes, CY positional replacement, potential 1st/2nd round pick)
Khusnutdinov (recent 2nd rounder, longer term mid 6 center possibility)
Our 1st (top 3ish protected)
Pittsburgh’s 1st

So, potentially 2-3 1sts and a good (not great) prospect of the same position. Not sure if I’d even do it; just tossing it out there.

i was thinking somehwere along the line of our 2 firsts, Ek and Khovanov.

 

[2Pair]

Shit. How do we do it without any of the big 4.

You really can't.

Rossi or Boldy + top 10 protected 1st rounder + Foligno

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You really can't.

Rossi or Boldy + top 10 protected 1st rounder + Foligno

And it’s not like we’d be able to afford all 5 of them going forward anyway, so one of them going the other way would make sense. I’m just wary of trading for disgruntled players because there’s nothing that says they won’t stay that way.

 

[2Pair]

And it’s not like we’d be able to afford all 5 of them going forward anyway, so one of them going the other way would make sense. I’m just wary of trading for disgruntled players because there’s nothing that says they won’t stay that way.

Might be able to keep the 1st by adding Ek or possibly Khusnutdinov, but I can't see getting it done without one of the 4.

 

[AKL]

Eriksson Ek (immediate long term middle 6 solution)
Bonino/Johansson (cap purposes, immediate short term replacement)
Khovanov/Khustnutdinov (longest term potential top 6)
1st (top 10 protected, which means ours, because I don't think we can put conditions on PIT's)
Beckman/Firstov/2nd (additional prospect to help build their pipeline)

If PLD is really pushing to make this happen quick, and CBJ obliges, I don't think they're going to require getting a top 6 center back. Given that he's their only truly bright star on offense, it might signal some sort of a rebuild for them, and they may be okay with getting picks/prospects/young players. Their pool is disgustingly depleted after trading virtually all of their 2019 picks.

Khovanov or Khusnutdinov would give them a solid center prospect to add, Beckamn or Firstov would help, and the 1st could still end up being a good player as well. That's three prospects that would likely be in their top 5.

I would probably be comfortable giving that up if I knew PLD wanted to be here and would sign a 6-8 year extension with us when his current deal ends. I don't think that's the best offer Columbus receives though, because I'd bet another team will trade a top prospect for him.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If I’m giving up Rossi/Boldy, I’d much rather it be for Barzal, not that the situations are the same.

 

[2Pair]

If I’m giving up Rossi/Boldy, I’d much rather it be for Barzal, not that the situations are the same.

I would much rather have Dubois

 

[AKL]

I'm also prepared to add Greenway to that package, because frankly, I would overpay using B prospects and middle six players if it meant getting a truly legit top line center. I think we can afford to lose some depth if it means more quality on the roster.

Kaprizov-Dubois-Fiala makes me salivate.

 

[2Pair]

Eriksson Ek (immediate long term middle 6 solution)
Bonino/Johansson (cap purposes, immediate short term replacement)
Khovanov/Khustnutdinov (longest term potential top 6)
1st (top 10 protected, which means ours, because I don't think we can put conditions on PIT's)
Beckman/Firstov/2nd (additional prospect to help build their pipeline)

If PLD is really pushing to make this happen quick, and CBJ obliges, I don't think they're going to require getting a top 6 center back. Given that he's their only truly bright star on offense, it might signal some sort of a rebuild for them, and they may be okay with getting picks/prospects/young players. Their pool is disgustingly depleted after trading virtually all of their 2019 picks.

Khovanov or Khusnutdinov would give them a solid center prospect to add, Beckamn or Firstov would help, and the 1st could still end up being a good player as well. That's three prospects that would likely be in their top 5.

I would probably be comfortable giving that up if I knew PLD wanted to be here and would sign a 6-8 year extension with us when his current deal ends. I don't think that's the best offer Columbus receives though, because I'd bet another team will trade a top prospect for him.

I don't see it. I wouldn't even consider trading Fiala for that package. I don't think that Cbus will require a top 6 center as part of the return, but I think they would hold out for the main piece to be a Rossi/Boldy level asset. Somebody will offer it. A team like the Rangers would be crazy not to offer something around Kaako

 

[AKL]

I don't see it. I wouldn't even consider trading Fiala for that package. I don't think that Cbus will require a top 6 center as part of the return, but I think they would hold out for the main piece to be a Rossi/Boldy level asset. Somebody will offer it. A team like the Rangers would be crazy not to offer something around Kaako

But can the Rangers afford that? They've already got a lot of RFAs to pay in the next few years as is.

I totally agree my proposal is crap value in a vacuum. Like I kinda said, it would be banking on the idea that they'd enter somewhat of a rebuild after trading him, because they don't have any other premier pieces.

 

[2Pair]

But can the Rangers afford that? They've already got a lot of RFAs to pay in the next few years as is.

I totally agree my proposal is crap value in a vacuum. Like I kinda said, it would be banking on the idea that they'd enter somewhat of a rebuild after trading him, because they don't have any other premier pieces.

I think they would be able to make it work fairly easily. The Rangers were just the first example that came to mind though. Gotta believe that the Habs would offer something around kotkaniemi, Jets and Laine, Flames and Monahan, Kings have enough prospects to turn one of Turcotte/Byfield into more of a sure thing

 

[keppel146]

I’d be ok with Boldy for PLD package but idk about Rossi. If we give up Rossi, I almost want Barkov or Eichel coming back. Rossi just seems like he’d be a perfect 2C.

 

[DANOZ28]

im not pretending to know whats fair. since CBJ doesn't need D try & trade dumba to WPG for their 21 - 1st. package 3 - 1sts plus JEE ; beckman or greenway; mennell.

 

[fentonsbrainchild]

I’m torn on this because I love PLD and think he’s gonna thrive once he gets out of Columbus. But the thing is I’m not a fan of having to pay PLD, Fiala, and KK all within the next two years especially if we are sacrificing an ELC with Boldy and/or Rossi. Things line up very well contractually if neither Rossi or Boldy burns their ELC this year. I don’t want us to make a mistake by rushing this retool.

 

[Minnesnota]

I’d be ok with Boldy for PLD package but idk about Rossi. If we give up Rossi, I almost want Barkov or Eichel coming back. Rossi just seems like he’d be a perfect 2C.

I think at this point you have to look at Boldy and think he's the more valuable asset over Rossi.

I would much rather have Dubois

Yea it's not really all that close for me.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I think at this point you have to look at Boldy and think he's the more valuable asset over Rossi.

I don't think a short tournament where one was on a great team while the other was on a team basically by themselves changes their status as prospects or value.

At this point in Boldy's D+1 year he had 3 points in 15 games at BU.... Not to mention positional importance.