Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by NA Scouting, Feb 22, 2021.
Nobody said he he wouldn't be moved for less. What was said was you should watch hockey more and study the stats less.
You counter that with PAGES OF STATS. Honestly I laughed.
Then rather than put the shovel down you write about how much value the stats you love have to GM's.
Trust me nothing, NOTHING beats the eye test. Florida has spent the last few years getting things back in place after an analytics GM nearly destroyed an up and coming group. Same crap in Arizona where the guy believed in the sheet above all and was holding the team back.
Solid GM's use all the tools available. None more important than actual scouting and learning players.
Gusev - maybe a 2019 Marcus Johansson type return (2nd+4th), although I'm not as bullish with Gusev as other Devils fans.
Zajac - will see if he waives NTC, maybe if team indicates that they won't be re-signing him in offseason. Hypothetically, probably a mid-round pick and the Devils would have to retain.
Palmieri - probably our best trade chip if not re-signed. Rental wingers haven't been fetching late 1st rounders lately. If one isn't on the table, 2nd rounder + B prospect seems plausible (ie Toffoli for 2nd+Madden).
Murray/Kulikov - mid-to-late round pick, personally wouldn't mind giving Murray a short extension.
Vatanen - Probably similar to last year, B prospect or 2nd rounder. Cheap salary might be attractive to teams with cap issues.
Dell - Can't imagine he'd have much value barring injuries.
As I said before, "my opinion isn't only driven by advanced stats". I watched Janmark very closely in last years playoff series with Dallas where he looked great on the PK, and seen enough of him in Chicago to know that he's not someone a good team would want higher than their bottom 6. That opinion is based completely on my eye-test.
Now, in combination with my opinion (aka "the eye-test") I presented some stats to support my argument. You'd think that going through the effort to present some stats to support an opinion instead of just stating an unfounded opinion would be appreciated, but I guess not.
As for analytics, bringing up Florida and Arizona as examples of analytics-driven organisations is a really flawed argument, as most hockey analytics guys will tell you that a lot of the moves Tallon and Chayka made were decidedly not based on analytics. For a GM who was sold to the public as an analytics guru Chayka didn't half have an affinity for headscratching decisions.
If you want to use a team as an example of how analytics is used then Colorado is a much better example, given that seemingly every acquisition they've made the last couple of years has been heavily influenced by analytics, as evidenced by the success of guys like Burakovsky and Toews in their system. The Donskoi signing was also based on his defensive and transition metrics. They've also persisted with Jost for longer than a lot of teams would have, purely based on his great defensive metrics.
LOL, Tallon wanted nothing to do with analytics. He was removed by ownership and replaced by a guy who likes paper. The team took a step backward and eventually Tallon was put in charge again.
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