lhsgolf19
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This Yzerman presser has been awesome, funny, etc.. You guys just gotta sit back trust the process, dude is insanely smart... it'll get back to what we want soon
Trade Deadline Thread
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TheOctopusKid
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Yzerman's presser has been great. His goals this season seem clearly implied: add more prospects because you just don't know whose going to work our and whose not. Get our salary cap situation turned around.
I believe in Steve Yzerman
I believe in Steve Yzerman
ShelbyZ
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I haven't really been one to jump on the Yzerman hype train, but I really do enjoy his pressers. Very honest, humble and somewhat humorous and laid back. Kinda wish he'd do them more often.
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Glad AA is gone, I don't think he is a guy you win with
That being said, how does Barclay Goodrow fetch a 1st and not AA?
I know that comes down to specific teams/GMs being desperate, but the market seemed really volatile this year
Andy Greene got a 2nd + prospect too - while other similar D got what we would expect (3rds, 4ths, conditions on those picks, etc.)
Just seemed like some sellers killed it while others got what we could expect the market to return
That being said, how does Barclay Goodrow fetch a 1st and not AA?
I know that comes down to specific teams/GMs being desperate, but the market seemed really volatile this year
Andy Greene got a 2nd + prospect too - while other similar D got what we would expect (3rds, 4ths, conditions on those picks, etc.)
Just seemed like some sellers killed it while others got what we could expect the market to return
Lil Sebastian Cossa
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Most of the forwards and defensemen don't play "defense" on this team either. No need to harp on AA you got what you wanted. Now it will be my job to never let you guys forget what you said when he excels in Edmonton next to McDavid. (And I won't forget)
What I wanted was for AA to consistently give a damn. To use those skills that you and MBH will give him so much leeway for. Since he didn't seem to want to do that, I was okay with him being traded. I'm not really balking at the return either. He didn't have the value that people thought he did. Just like Vanek didn't either of the times we traded him.
And I was saying that his reputation around the league was that he didn't play defense. It is not okay that his defense sucks because everyone else's defense sucks. AA, unto himself, was not going to return what would make people happy. You look at him as a 30 goal scorer who could be more if he just got better linemates. Teams around the league clearly didn't see him that way.
And jesus, I HOPE Edmonton puts him on a line with McDavid. AA is a puck dominant player. He's not any damn good without the puck on his stick. He is not likely to be the dominant puck carrier if they put him on a line with McDavid.
You can dream up all the "speed kills" ideas that you want... but I will bet you that AA does not set up shop on the top line with McDavid. Maybe they'll be used on the PP, but he's a ****ing terrible wing to use with a guy like Connor.
Sounds like how folks talk about DeKeyser, only he's older and broken to a point where he may never reach what he was for a couple 20 game stretches once upon a time.
Amen! Yzerman was handed the dumpster fire of dumpster fires. The rest of the league is certainly aware of this, and the limiting aspects of AA, so why do many here hate the return? Yzerman isn't a magician, he's just a good GM. It's completely possible that the only one brazen enough to offer two 2nds was the man that (whether under order from high or not) built said fire in Detroit.
I don't have any issue with the return. Whatever AA does in Edmonton, it matters not, because their team is light years more talented. All the best to him.
LeighDx59
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It'll be interesting to see how Athanasiou does in Edmonton. The guy is a puck hog and he doesnt really use his linemates as he should, so Edmonton better hope they can get him to buy in and be smarter with the puck. I do hope he does well there though, and im glad he's in the West rather than in Columbus like originally rumored.
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Barclay Goodrow is a guy more in the Paul Gaustad mold (big, heavy center). He's taken ~350 FO and winning just under 50%. In prior years he's been over. He's starting to creep up a little bit in points. Basically, Tampa needed a good bottom 6C. They didn't need a one-way wing.
People really struggle with understanding the value that some "meh" guys possess and that some guys who you think would return something have black marks against them that teams count but fans don't.
K1900L
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This won't happen. Teams usually play their best d-line against McDavid, different to Athanasiou, and play more defensively in general.
Also, McDavid might be a rather quiet guy, just like Larkin, but Draisaitl isn't. If Athanasiou shows a lack of ambition in their current playoff-race, he will sooner or later be held responsible for this by Draisaitl, who can be very vocal and who isn't at all afraid of speaking out, the same with Tippett himself.
If he doesn't show any quality he will just be moved down some lines or even to the AHL. The Oilers are probably going to make it to the playoffs without him, they will figure out that they don't necessarily need him if he doesn't show any ambition to win a game. He is a RFA afterwards anyways, and with Tyler Ennis they added another fast player who can play on McDavid's wing.
The Oilers did a great job today..
Ghost of Ethan Hunt
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I feel a little better about the somewhat lower than expected returns on the AA & Green trades now after seeing Hawks & NJ get fleeced:
1. CHI get a 2020 conditional 3rd round pick* (CGY) for Gustavsson (yes I know he's only had 1 good season, D liability & UFA, 27 etc.)
2. Robin Lehner for Malcom Subban, Slava Demin, 2020 2nd
3. Vatanen for crap
1. CHI get a 2020 conditional 3rd round pick* (CGY) for Gustavsson (yes I know he's only had 1 good season, D liability & UFA, 27 etc.)
2. Robin Lehner for Malcom Subban, Slava Demin, 2020 2nd
3. Vatanen for crap
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I doubt Holland just gave up two 2nds for a guy that they would try to put through waivers. No way he moves future's like that and doesn't try to recoup something. Dude would be run out of town.
saska sault
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Barclays cap hit for this year and next and not being a minus 45. There was also a 3rd rounder involved which takes away some of the value of the 1st rounder acquired.. In my opinion.. We moved a non core piece who's controllable years,are dwindling for 2 high draft picks. That's a win.
Retire91
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I am really bummed we did not go after Lehner seeing him return some good trade value just reminds me, he was the UFA we should have went after hard and never looked back.
I think playing with litterally one of the worlds best players and being able to play a system that turns on the afterburners will do a world of good for Athanasiou. Detroit's current state is no place for his game and it showed terribly so much so it wasn't possible to get a 1st for a 30 goal scorer. You gotta have a complete game to develop in Detroit right now, and Athanasiou does not have a complete game, but the things he are one dimensional at are way above average so a more complete team will make him shine.
I think playing with litterally one of the worlds best players and being able to play a system that turns on the afterburners will do a world of good for Athanasiou. Detroit's current state is no place for his game and it showed terribly so much so it wasn't possible to get a 1st for a 30 goal scorer. You gotta have a complete game to develop in Detroit right now, and Athanasiou does not have a complete game, but the things he are one dimensional at are way above average so a more complete team will make him shine.
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He added AA, Green and Tyler Ennis. I guess you and I have different standards on hell of a deadline.
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Christien
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Good question
Nobody wants him. He's to injury prone and pretty useless at this point in his career
Henkka
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Send him to ECHL. Don't want to see him play any Wings games ever again.
Ghost of Ethan Hunt
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Classy of McDavid to greet them at the airport in Edmonton.
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The Zetterberg Era
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A true contender didn't show up. Only bubble teams called and Trevor told Stevie he wouldn't deal with those talentless hacks either...
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Oh I didn't mean this as an Yzerman criticism, more just an interesting observation
I feel like most seasons once the first trade or two happens in late January/ early February the market becomes "set" with maybe one off the grid trade that doesn't fit but it felt like this year values were all over the map
I agree/ am aware/ didn't mean to upset anyone with my post -- just thought it was unique that AA, a guy who has many warts but is a young, team controlled, former 30 goal guy didn't rank higher in the returns today.
That's not a knock on Yzerman and it wasn't necessarily a humongous shock to me, I just would have assumed he would return more than say Barclay Goodrow for example
But after seeing the return for Trocheck I think all bets were off
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The same reason that Tomas Tatar managed to fetch a 1st+
Sometimes shit just happens.
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