Trade and Free Agent Discussion Thread - 2018/2019 Season v9 - Deadline Looming

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ToneDog

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If the reported asks are correct, they could easily afford to add both McQuaid and Jensen without giving up any significant assets so no need to play McQuaid in the top 4 at all. Also with two added RD no argument for keeping Gards as a third pairing guy.

Rielly Jensen
Muzzin Zaitsev
Dermott Hainsey
Oz (if he isn't moved in McQuaid deal)

This gives Zaitsev the best opportunity to succeed in a top 4 role that he has had since coming to the club, to either establish his place, or enhance his value in a trade. It cuts Hainsey down to comfortable minutes and conserves the big assets for next year if they want to trade for an impact player.

SeaofBlue brought up a good point that the money needs to be similar. McQuaid is making 2.75 so Leafs may not want/be able to add his cap hit.
 
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After the in season Phaneuf trade with no retention I believe anybody can be traded no matter the time of year.

Yeah, but if you guessed on that deal happening every day for 3 years you would still have been wrong 99.91% of the time. It's an outlier. Sure it "can" happen, but it won't.
 

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SeaofBlue brought up a good point that the money needs to be similar. McQuaid is making 2.75 so Leafs may not want/be able to add his cap hit.

They can easily make it work, the question is would Babcock be willing to part with Hainsey or Brown to make the money work?
 

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They can easily make it work, the question is would Babcock be willing to part with Hainsey or Brown to make the money work?

The other question is why would the Leafs downgrade their defense to bring in physicality?
 
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nuck

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SeaofBlue brought up a good point that the money needs to be similar. McQuaid is making 2.75 so Leafs may not want/be able to add his cap hit.

That's another reason why you would move Gards out. They have two LD who are better than him and have to play someone on the off side to accommodate him on the 3rd pairing.

I am confused as to their actual cap situation which maybe someone can clarify. According to Cap Friendly: Projected Space $4,319,893 Current Cap Space $17,095.747 Deadline Cape Space $20,087,502
Today's Cap $80,111,111. How much Cap do they actually have to work with to add for this playoff?
 

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The other question is why would the Leafs downgrade their defense to bring in physicality?

If you believe the current D is adequately physical you wouldn't. If you believe the D is not physical enough, then a downgrade in skill doesn't necessarily mean a downgrade in results. I don't think replacing Oz with McQuaid is a downgrade. I am not the huge Jensen fan that some here are, but I suspect he could be more effective on Rielly's right side then anyone they currently have.

The only real downgrade argument is keeping Gards to push Dermott out of third pairing minutes. Neither Muzzin nor Rielly are comfortable playing on the right, Hainsey is too old to support top 4 minutes, and Dermott is a natural lefty. Muzzin is currently playing 18:37 a night after playing over 21:30 the last three years in LA and he is a better defensive player than JG. You get more value out of Muzzin playing him more, and that just further reduces Gardiner's value. Jake was a top 2 defender for the club last year, but this season he isn't being used that way.
 
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Rielly4

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Honestly Oz is better than Zaitsev we need to find a way to get Z out of here in the off season.
 

nuck

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Honestly Oz is better than Zaitsev we need to find a way to get Z out of here in the off season.

Easier to look good playing 14 sheltered minutes a night. Oz is a question mark. He is an old rookie so isn't going to just get stronger and faster next year like a 20-21 year old. His growth depends on whether he comes back having learned from his first year, and physically able and prepared to play at a higher tempo than the KHL requires.
 
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Canada4Gold

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That's another reason why you would move Gards out. They have two LD who are better than him and have to play someone on the off side to accommodate him on the 3rd pairing.

I am confused as to their actual cap situation which maybe someone can clarify. According to Cap Friendly: Projected Space $4,319,893 Current Cap Space $17,095.747 Deadline Cape Space $20,087,502
Today's Cap $80,111,111. How much Cap do they actually have to work with to add for this playoff?

Projected space is how much room they have over a full season. However the cap counts daily. They accrued space earlier in the year, which is why they're allowed to have a current roster that's technically over the cap(the 80 million number you underlined), there's not enough time left in the season for that extra to take up the room we gained throughout the season. For example if you saved a dollar a day for 150 of 180 days, during the final 30 days you have 150 extra dollars you can spend, meaning you can spend 5 extra dollars a day now.

We have the 4.3 million number given in full season room. However given they'll want to keep space for M&M bonuses so they don't carryover to next year they'll almost certainly want to keep 3.7 million in space at the end of the year, essentially making out full season cap 75.8 instead of 79.5. So take that 3.7 off the 4.3 number and we have roughly 0.6 million in space. Because the cap accrues daily however that becomes about 2.7 million at the deadline. Remember that's a net 2.7, if you brought someone in and waived Holl the 675k for Holl leaving means you'd be able to add about 3.4 million.

If you ignored the bonuses entirely, they'd have over 20 million in space at the deadline, that's where the deadline number you listen comes from. Similarly they'd have over 17 million in additions they could make now(the number is lower because there's an extra week of cap they'd take up). But that's pretty irrelevant because they'll keep that space aside for bonuses.
 
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Projected space is how much room they have over a full season. However the cap counts daily. They accrued space earlier in the year, which is why they're allowed to have a current roster that's technically over the cap(the 80 million number you underlined), there's not enough time left in the season for that extra to take up the room we gained throughout the season. For example if you saved a dollar a day for 150 of 180 days, during the final 30 days you have 150 extra dollars you can spend, meaning you can spend 5 extra dollars a day now.

We have the 4.3 million number given in full season room. However given they'll want to keep space for M&M bonuses so they don't carryover to next year they'll almost certainly want to keep 3.7 million in space at the end of the year, essentially making out full season cap 75.8 instead of 79.5. So take that 3.7 off the 4.3 number and we have roughly 0.6 million in space. Because the cap accrues daily however that becomes about 2.7 million at the deadline. Remember that's a net 2.7, if you brought someone in and waived Holl the 675k for Holl leaving means you'd be able to add about 3.4 million.

If you ignored the bonuses entirely, they'd have over 20 million in space at the deadline, that's where the deadline number you listen comes from. Similarly they'd have over 17 million in additions they could make now(the number is lower because there's an extra week of cap they'd take up). But that's pretty irrelevant because they'll keep that space aside for bonuses.

so they can add a cheap rental, but nothing else without money going out then?

Ferland/Jensen could fit without salary going the other way then
 

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OVO16

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Jensen is gonna be out of our price range. Why?

1. There are several teams interested and will be a high bidding war. This according to Bob Mckenzie

2. The Red-Wings are also discussing a contract extension, in case they don't get the value their seeking. This obviously means the price for Jensen is going to be high for any team to pry him away. Most likely a 2nd + Good prospect. Possibly even more.

Dubas might have to stick to a cheaper option in McQuaid or possibly (praying) GUDAS
 

AppsSyl

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All this McQuaid talk.
Why in the world would we want Adam McQuaid? He is Roman Polak. He wouldn't even be in our top 6, and if he was I shutter to think that Babcock would take out Dermott instead of Zaitsev or Hainsey for him.
No thank you!
 
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ryno23

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what about Marcus Johnasson as a 4th line C option. Ennis, Johansson, Moore as our 4th line.

Deal NJ Gauthier for a rental. Gauthier won't be in long term plans here maybe NJ bites on it.
 

Leafin

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McQuaid is not what we need on this roster. Giving Babcock another gudpro to overplay is a bad idea.
 

Dragao6

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Still unsure of troubas situation with Winnipeg is as that's always been my #1 hope but would a Gardiner for Myers trade be worth the effort?

Gardiner is gone, were stacked on lhd and peg is stacked at rhd...both ufas, saves peg abit on cap this year for another move and we can take extra cap this year
 
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