Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by BertCorbeau, Oct 1, 2018.
Appropriate time for a new thread.
This is a giant "IF"...
"IF" Dubas decided trading Nylander was the better option at this point, for a top RHD... Trouba, Pesce type guy..... and this is only an if...
I'd suggest claiming Gagner off of waivers today, as he'd probably be better than Ennis on Matthews wing...
i am sure between Leivo, Grundstrom, Johnsson, Kapanen, Ennis, Marner, Marleau, Brown, Hyman they got it covered.
Why do we need another Gagner? We already have like 6.
To be fair, we already have the next Sam Gagner's in Mitch Marner and William Nylander, so imagine claiming the actual Sam Gagner and creating a Gagner line.
Marleau - Tavares - Matthews
Nylander - Gagner - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Kapanen
Johnsson - Lindholm - Brown
(this is sarcasm)
Nylander wants 8.0m,, Leafs offer 6.5m difference of 1.5m
Gagner makes 3.150m. Playing value 1.15m. difference of 2m.
Leafs would be better just to overpay Nylander.
Lol hard pass on Sam Gagner. This board has hard-ons for small/soft players. IF the player actually has some skill left, then yeah sure (like ennis)...but gagner is washed
Let's see what out guys can do first. Wait until ~ game 13 before even considering making a trade. I want to see what Oz and Zaitsev can do. They could very well be #2 and #4.
Anyone been cut that could make our team?
Big recent prospects aside.
Think we could take on Lawson Crouse as a reclamation project? Something like Leivo and a 3rd? Or does Arizona still want to see what they have in him?
I'd rather see what we've got in Leivo, when Nylander gets signed one of Ennis or Leivo will be getting their ass stapled to the press box and Gauthier waived and sent down as it is
Doesn't 14 forwards make more sense than having 8 defensemen? Especially when Gauthier has significantly more upside than both Holl and Marincin?
I figured it makes sense to keep the extra centre...but either way, I don't think any of these guys are amazing, I just like finding different "ingredients". Crouse brings something we don't have with most of the roster; size. Size needs to be able to play though, I guess it's a nod towards our development staff but I have a lot of faith in them compared to years past.
I mean Marincin is going to be a perennial scratch but Gauthier really doesn't have upside at this point. None of them really do
Gauthier is a plug, Holl and Marincin are plugs
I couldn't care less if any of them got plucked off waivers, if the other team is that desperate I wish them the best of luck
Two spare forwards, two spare defenseman I'm not particularly worried about it either way but Dermott has been nicked up in pre-season and Ozhiganov is a rookie so extra cover on the backend would seem prudent at this time
Gagner is finito. He rode the wave of a deadly Columbus power play a couple of years' ago. He wasn't that good otherwise.
I would do this but only if Crouse got another full year in the AHL to learn the lines that he can't cross. I don't think that draft pick is necessary, the trade with Florida already devalued him substantially.
Gauthier can be a top 12 forward some day still. At least based on what I have seen in preseason and in the AHL. He's only 23 remember, and bigger bodies also take a bit longer too. Brian Boyle scored a lot in the minors, but he did not do anything in the NHL until he was 25 or 26 (and even then that's probably very similar to what Gauthier would do if he was a 4C right now). Stick him in the Leivo role to learn something and to get some NHL practices in for a year. He's better than anything else we could put there right now anyways.
...but Boyle did score a lot in the AHL. Gauthier has not. IMO Colborne and Holland were much more talented than Gauthier and neither could lock a regular gig down. I don't dislike him but the injuries really set him back in his development and doubt he'll hit his ceiling.
PS did anyone claim Pickard or Mac?
Gauthier last year at age 22 was worse than Timashov (who was 21), Bracco (who was 20), Grundstrom (who was 19/20), Engvall (who was 21), etc.
These guys will be passing him shortly on the depth chart, and he won't get much of a chance next year either. That's what happened with Leivo, right when people were hoping he'd get a chance, Kapanen/Marner/Nylander/Johnsson/Brown/etc all passed him on the depth chart and there was no room for him. It looks like Leivo might finally get a chance, but that also might be cut short once Nylander is back.
We'll know in an hour.
Nope. Since the 4th line probably wont play much anyways. Guathier will never make the leafs full time. Just doesnt have the skill.
Mac gets claimed by Carolina and Pickard by philly... have to think we would have lost Sparks too but man this hurts depth
The goat’s main problem is that he simply doesn’t play aggressive enough considering he doesn’t have great puck skills. He can’t play a skilled game and he slow, his main attribute is as large frame. If he hits like a truck he could potential he be a good fourth liner but he doesn’t.
I don't mind size but you've got to be able to do something with it, Crouse just doesn't produce enough for my liking and doesn't have much going for him bar size and draft position
Our development staff is good but there not miracle workers, they haven't been able to get Gauthier to an NHL level for instance and I'd call him a decent example of a big plug like Crouse
I've given up on him, big guys with almost no skill that won't play physical are completely useless imo
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