Trade and Free Agency Thread - C'mon More Trades!

Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by BertCorbeau, Apr 11, 2021.

  1. hockeynorth Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2017
    Messages:
    10,293
    Likes Received:
    4,320
    Trophy Points:
    151
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    I personally don't have much faith in Holl without Muzzin, I think he's a good #5 without a strong #2/3 beside him
     
    Saint Blue likes this.
  2. BertCorbeau Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2012
    Messages:
    46,381
    Likes Received:
    15,026
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Simcoe County
    Not the main reason, no.
     
  3. LeafSteel GO LEAFS GO!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Messages:
    2,661
    Likes Received:
    1,948
    Trophy Points:
    126
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Toronto
    agreed 100%.

    If Galchenyuk wasn’t playing like he is I have no doubt we would have gotten Hall, and maybe still foligno.
     
  4. showtime8 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    10,893
    Likes Received:
    682
    Trophy Points:
    170
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    I think you run into a mess of problems if you're asking Muzzin to play top pairing minutes. Even at his best, he wasn't really capable of that.

    I can understand Rielly getting traded, but you need to bring in something of value to play top 4 minutes. But on the other hand, the franchise is finally in a position to compete and we're asking a young Sandin with under 40 games of NHL experience to carry the load offensively.
     
    Auston Escobar, Buds17 and Fogelhund like this.
  5. Fogelhund Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    11,637
    Likes Received:
    7,328
    Trophy Points:
    192
    SB Cash:
    $ 36,610
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Binbrook, ON
    Barrie? :naughty::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
  6. SeaOfBlue The Passion That Unites Us All

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    28,892
    Likes Received:
    8,242
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    He had a career high of 36 points at the time. I don't think 5 mill (which was the equivalent of 5.7 mill in today's dollars at the time) was taking a discount. At least not to the point where he thinks he needs to get it compensated now.

    I highly doubt he gets more than 7 mill on his next deal. 7 mill is still fair for Rielly, and I'd consider paying it if we can't figure out a proper way to replace him, but that is his absolute max. He's not getting 8 mill in this climate and the only way he would have received it is if he repeated his 20 goal, 72 point season a bunch of times.
     
  7. Menzinger Kessel4LadyByng

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2014
    Messages:
    33,294
    Likes Received:
    17,284
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Occupation:
    Professional Student
    Location:
    St. Paul, MN
    Rielly seems like he could be heading to a 6-7mil deal depending on term
     
  8. SeaOfBlue The Passion That Unites Us All

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    28,892
    Likes Received:
    8,242
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Seems reasonable to me, and should be fine for the Leafs as well.
     
  9. showtime8 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2010
    Messages:
    10,893
    Likes Received:
    682
    Trophy Points:
    170
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    I would think that Rielly is looking at Torey Krug's deal in St. Louis as a comparable at the very least. Very similar numbers and age at free agency is close.
     
    uncleben likes this.
  10. LaPlante94 Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,031
    Likes Received:
    990
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    You think we maybe offer Rielly for Weegar this offseason.

    Brodie-Weegar
    Muzzin-Liljegren
    Sandin-Dermott
     
  11. SeaOfBlue The Passion That Unites Us All

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    28,892
    Likes Received:
    8,242
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Absolutely not.
     
  12. LaPlante94 Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,031
    Likes Received:
    990
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    How come?
     
  13. SeaOfBlue The Passion That Unites Us All

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    28,892
    Likes Received:
    8,242
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    If we were not willing to move Dermott + Johnsson for him last year, we are not going to move Rielly for him this year regardless of how good he was this year. If he regresses to what he was outside of this year, much like guys like Manson have done after having one or two good years, we just traded a legitimate #1 defenseman for a guy who is barely a 2nd pairing guy without a high end partner to put with him (effectively another Justin Holl or older Travis Dermott, which is why we weren't willing to trade for him in the first place).

    I would not put many bets on a lot of these Florida guys repeating what they've been able to do this year in a division that has lacked consistent quality outside of Tampa and Carolina (teams where Florida has struggled to have consistent success). If they do, then good for them, but I am not taking the risk to find out. I would rather invest in our own cheap bargain bin guys and hope they turn out similar to what Florida did with their guys.
     
  14. LaPlante94 Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    5,031
    Likes Received:
    990
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    But I keep hearing and reading on here that Rielly is trash now
     
    SeaOfBlue likes this.
  15. SeaOfBlue The Passion That Unites Us All

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    28,892
    Likes Received:
    8,242
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Well that is for you to decide for yourself.
     
  16. hockeywiz542 Registered User

    Joined:
    May 26, 2008
    Messages:
    10,807
    Likes Received:
    1,446
    Trophy Points:
    169
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
  17. Puckstuff Registered User

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    8,816
    Likes Received:
    1,280
    Trophy Points:
    149
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Location:
    Milton
    There’s been plenty of debate if we should move Rielly. There's hopefully clarity on what he is now.

    Pro's:
    - Good offensive first d-man
    - Worthy of his cap hit
    - Great transition game
    - Elite skater
    - Great on the rush
    - Adequate to log big minutes. Will play the "part" of a #1.

    Cons:
    You could argue lacks high hockey IQ.
    Lacks defensive awareness in key moments (talking about 2 on 1's)
    Has questionable decision making on the P.P at times
    Not prime Duncan Keith , Drew Doughty or Chris Pronger.

    To me (and it's not a con on Rielly) it isn't that there is something inherently wrong with Rielly - it's just that he's not an elite #1. Brodie, Muzzin, Holl, Sandin, Lilly, Bogosian are better in their roles as #2, #3, #4, #5 and #6 d-men at their cap hits. If we could ever get a #1 then Rielly is the most logical piece to move IMO.

    Should we trade him? Some people get emotional over this topic. The answer for me is you always upgrade the player if you can. Is there a player who’s better then Rielly at his cap hit that we could target? That's really the only question we should be asking. I've been searching for that player. I'd be happy to move Rielly for an upgrade but I'm not seeing any #1 D who are realistically available that are also better then Rielly at his cap hit. Anyone have any names who are? Because I do think an upgrade could really propel this team i'm just not sure who it is.
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2021 at 11:20 AM
    Fogelhund and geo25 like this.
  18. SeaOfBlue The Passion That Unites Us All

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    28,892
    Likes Received:
    8,242
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Dougie Hamilton is the only one. If we get him, then we can move Rielly.

    If we talk about the year Rielly is a UFA, then we can look at Seth Jones, Colton Parayko, Mattias Ekholm, PK Subban, Kris Letang, Mark Giordano, Darnell Nurse, Hampus Lindholm, Ryan Pulock, etc.

    Obviously some of these names are not like the others, and not 1D's at all, but at least could be considered as higher quality stop gaps or something of that nature for Rielly.

    We are not replacing Rielly with Sandin or Weegar. It is not happening, and neither are going to be able to replace what he can do right now. Sandin is going to need at least 2-3 years before he is even in consideration as a Rielly replacement, which could make some of those older guys a possibility as stop gaps.
     
    Puckstuff likes this.
  19. Korg My name is Korg; I'm made of rocks.

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2014
    Messages:
    12,954
    Likes Received:
    12,820
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    I don't mind keeping Rielly, but his cap hit has to be in line with a guy that can be part of a top-four, like Brodie and Muzzin, rather than a bonafide #1. I'm okay with something in the 6.25-6.5 range, beyond that it gets dicey.
     
  20. LeafsOHLRangers98 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2017
    Messages:
    5,037
    Likes Received:
    4,578
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    The thing with Rielly is that he's not as good offensively as most think, yet his defensive game is better than most think. In the middle somewhere is a good player that shouldn't get top tier money, but easily fits in the next group.

    He's 12th in PPG over the last 4 seasons amongst defensemen with at least 80 games played. Guys ahead of him are:

    Makar
    Carlson
    Hedman
    Burns
    Krug
    Josi
    Hughes
    Letang
    Barrie
    Karlsson
    Fox

    Will be interesting to see what Barrie signs for. Somewhere around Krug money is probably right.
     
  21. justashadowof Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2020
    Messages:
    912
    Likes Received:
    546
    Trophy Points:
    61
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Far into the future but a player I might keep an eye out for in the summer: Jeff Skinner. Buffalo might buy him out in the summer and he'd be pocketing $37M from that buyout. A league min in Toronto for the Toronto native might make a ton of sense. He has been good on the PP in the past. And he's exhibited good hockey sense since entering the league. And here's a huge kicker: he has never played a single NHL playoff game in his 11 years in the league!
     
  22. mydnyte Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    12,982
    Likes Received:
    415
    Trophy Points:
    199
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    he may get claimed by Seattle ...and yea, i'm being serious.
    the defense and goalies will be high end, but not so much as scorers.
    Leafs may lose Kerfoot vs Dermott simply because there is no higher end C's going to be available, and Skinner may be the top goal scorer available to Seattle. ...not to mention, they need to hit the Cap Floor, so, they some bigger ticket players too. Unless UFA's think they will be signing up for LVGK part II and hop on the expansion bandwagon (and because Seattle can overpay everyone, and so few teams have any cap space)
     
  23. BertCorbeau Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2012
    Messages:
    46,381
    Likes Received:
    15,026
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Simcoe County
    That's a long term ticket they'd be gambling on.

    I have no doubts Skinner would benefit with a change of scenery but the term outstanding on that deal is really bad. Big risk even if he rebounds to be a decent top 9 player.
     
  24. mydnyte Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2004
    Messages:
    12,982
    Likes Received:
    415
    Trophy Points:
    199
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    He may have the worst contract in the NHL right now, but, Seattle can likely get a 'bonus' to pick him also.
    Any decent GM would try to get an asset attached, even if they were planning on picking him anyways.
    On Seattle, He'd likely be the goto sniper on their top line.
     
  25. VanW27 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2003
    Messages:
    3,788
    Likes Received:
    303
    Trophy Points:
    169
    SB Cash:
    $ 50,000
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Canada
    I get your thought process and it makes some sense, if Skinner had 1, 2 or even 3 years left on his deal I could see it, but he has 6 more years left. They do need to get to the cap floor but even if a Vegas instant contender isn't on their minds as a possibility they have to be hoping to contend, or at least be a playoff team within 3 or 4 years.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"