Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by Whodoyouthinkyousee, Dec 29, 2019.
The American coach certainly stood out.
Three standouts from each team; no goalies as team strength/defense has a great effect on each.
F: Nils Höglander, Samuel Fagemo
D: Victor Söderström
F: Alexis Lafrenière, Barrett Hayton
D: Jacob Bernard-Docker
F: Trevor Zegras, Shane Pinto
D: Zachary Jones
F: Vasily Podkolzin, Kirill Marchenko
D: Alexander Romanov
F: Kristian Tanus, Matias Macelli, Patrik Puistola
F: Valentin Nussbaumer
D: David Aebischer, Tim Berni
F: Tim Stützle, JJ Peterka
D: Moritz Seider
F: Jan Jenik, Karel Plasek
D: Libor Zábranský
F: Robert Dzugan, Oliver Okuliar
D: David Mudrak
F: Maxim Murosov, Oleg Boiko, Ruslan Dyomin
You could say our whole team did...for so many wrong reasons.
Barkov was one of the youngest players from his draft and Räty is almost a full year older than Barkov was on his draft -2 year. In the same vein Laine and Pulju were only 6 months older in their draft -1 year than Räty is now, and they were playing first line and dominating.
Team Canada and most NHL teams have this "pay your dues" mentality that makes them bury young talented players like McDavid, it's also easier to do that when their teams are so deep. If Connor had been playing for team Finland he would have been first line player no doubt, and I doubt Räty would get the same ice time and opportunity from Canada, that he's getting from team Finland. Team Finland is more of a meritocracy which allowed players like Laine and Pulju play on the first line even in their draft -1 year when they could have been buried by team Canada or potentially even snubbed from the team.
I'm really not trying to make up excuses. And I'm not saying he's bad. I just think that if he's finally the Finn to be taken first overall then the draft doesn't seem to be too strong. I think Barkov, Laine and Kakko and even Granlund all looked better imo. Well it's probably too early to say and maybe I'm being too unfair to Räty. The draft is far away and I might change my mind already after the U18 tournament.
Finland took Lundell last year as the 2C and still won gold. And Kakko was also 17yo playing in top 6 role.
I really haven't seen anything in his game suggesting Räty should be a "consensus" 1s overall for next years draft. Good player but there are probably better ones out there.
I think Knight was outstanding... he allowed one goal on a tremendous play and lost.
Dostal may have had a down tournamnet... ouch.
I think Laf has 6 points in 8 periods. Needs to step it up to a point per period!
Well almost all scouts think he is the consensus 1st overall pick, but i guess they are wrong
That first line for sweden.
I can't name all the players. Fugamo and Hoglander and _________
But I am watching sweden's game, and these guys have the longest offensive zone shifts I have seen from a line in this tournament. They just put in that work consistently.
On a shot Knight had no chance to stop either
Agree with these. Morozov in league of his own. Terrible hockey he is playing right now.
Mudrak has been absolute ass, he’s been the worst Slovak dman and is a giveaway machine and that’s saying something considering the quality of Slovak defenders
Yeah not much you can do with barely getting to play any minutes.. He is double minor in this tournament. He has some points and a couple goals, even many other superstar no 1 OA playing in the WJC at d-2 year didn't score many points with the same reason, but seeing your from Sweden based on your posting history i understood instantly why the salt was reals.
"There are probably better ones out there" just shows how ignorant you are mate. You've seen some small sample of him with barely paying attention clearly and then most scouts and rankings must be wrong apparently.
Yeah Seider is definitely right there with Romanov on that side of the draw, likely better but Romanov is having a good tourney too. Far and away is a pretty ridiculous way to put it. Having 1 even strength goal against in that death group, with very little help and playing the most minutes in the entire tournament is pretty ridiculous.
As for guys who have stood out:
I think keeping with Germany Stutzle looks really dynamic, could go top 3 for sure by the end of this season. Peterka was good too. I didnt love anyone on the USA team. Russia I liked Marchenko and Romanov but I only caught 2 games of theirs. Canada I've liked Hayton on the PP, Veleno been leading the forwards in ice time by a decent clip and doing a little bit of everything, Lafreniere obviously is the best player in the tournament. Sweden I've thought Hoglander, Berggren and Fagemo have been noticeable in different ways, Raymond really solid for a draft eligible
Disappointments for me are all of Canadas defense basically, and Byfield, Caufield and Turcotte.
Says who? I've not seen anyone discussed as a consensus 1OA for 2021.
US coach is the biggest disappointment. His stock has dropped a lot.
Four of his five highest pick skaters were playing smaller roles. No smart coach has his best players in small roles, and his grinders in big roles.
Couldn’t agree more and i’m finnish. There is a lot to like with this elite talent but he is already playing on big role when Lafreniere was buried on stacked team playing couple minutes here and there. Aatu Räty have been invisible against good countries which is fine for underager but Barkov for example was already controlling pace of the game against top notch countries while chipping in offensively and he was almost 1 year younger. Right now i just don’t see Räty being similar level of talent even when he is about 1 year older but he still has time to prove me wrong.
Aatu Räty has incredible IQ, he seems to be mature, strong and style is pretty NHL-like with quick processor on his head and he makes small subtle plays to create free space for players around him. Needs more explosiveness and defensive awareness. I certainly hope he is the talent like some of the posters likes to indicate but right now he doesen’t wow me.
Not as consensus 1OA so far, but currently being the top pick by many anyways:
Pronman: Way too early top 20 prospects for the 2021 NHL...
So far he is head and shoulders above anyone else from his draft class. Time will tell but so far Räty is #1
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Aatu Räty has played the lowest minutes in Team Finland and in 4th line every game and still looked like very good player, that is exactly the point.
I guess it is testament of Räty's abilities that you think he has gotten good opportunities.
This I just dont agree with. Despite not putting up the points against big teams, at least to me he has been very visible, again despite playing low minutes.
Problem is, you cant point to one Slovak D, that has a good Tournament. every one was bad. Also Stacha. Sure, from someone there were more errors, as from others, but generally, it was a very bad tournament from our Defence group.
Have I ever criticized a Finnish player before? I tend to stay away from that, some people are very sensitive (for reasons I will never quite understand).
All I'm saying is this: Räty is a fine player but this "consensus 1st overall" talk seems pretty over board when you watch him play (which I have done before this tournament btw). I simply don't buy it.