Petry is a 4. He is not great defensively and is okay offensively. I say this because we already have two 50 point D men. No thanks.
Value of: Toronto's 2019 1st round pick for playoff rental
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Petry is a 4. He is not great defensively and is okay offensively. I say this because we already have two 50 point D men. No thanks.
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Not really true. Petry is a weird case. He used to be incredibly inconsistent, like at nights he would play like a top pairing stud while others you would only see a human slalom stick. But then he really stepped up his game after Weber went down last year and was playing like a #2 most year. You definitely can't call him just a #4, that's for sure.
Why would you limit your options by taking back a rental. Why not trade it for something more?
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Spirit of 67
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Considering rentals seldom pan out and Duby's penchant for playing percentages, I don't think we'll see him making big deals at trade deadline time.
If he does do anything, a very low draft pick would be in play for a depth guy.
If he does do anything, a very low draft pick would be in play for a depth guy.
Like I said in my other response to you I'm not against keeping the 1st round pick
But you have 14 players 26 or younger, 10 of which are 25 or younger and 5 of which are 22 or younger.
That's why the 2019 1st isn't needed, this isn't Ottawa or Montreal or the NYR, The Leafs are ridiculously young and they are looking for the final piece, if they don't have to move their 1st to get that piece, that's perfect I'm not against keeping the 1st round pick.
But if they have to move their 1st round pick to get that final piece , the team is young enough where it's not a big deal
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In what world do the Leafs need Brock Nelson? Who's spot would he take in the lineup?
Randy Randerson
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I think "top pair" would be good enough, Rielly's a #1 if he repeats last year's performance but I agree with the sentiment. Petry can handle tough competition in big minutes and does well in them, and he has enough time left on his contract to give us enough time to figure out a successor whether that's Liljegren or soemone else. He's my top "band aid" target, there are a few guys that could be available who are probably an ideal solution who are younger that I would include Liljegren in a deal to get if they were available like Trouba but I think those are less likely
I would say no, cause Leafs can't carry his 5.5m cap hit in future years. 5.5m can be spent a lot better.
Randy Randerson
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I'm not sure why OP mentioned a winger, but there is absolutely no need for Toronto to acquire one. We're playing with 2 injured ones in the preseason and still icing a very good set
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Only reason I think Panarin would be good is to give our left side some punch 5 on 5.
Randy Randerson
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that's true but probably not affordable, I would take a defensive upgrade over Panarin and I think the acquisition cost would be a lot lower
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There are a handful of teams you know will be in the playoffs before the year even starts. The Leafs are one of them.
Myers, assuming that the young guys in WPG work out, and Myers is meh.
That's about as good as the Leafs can expect for a #1 pick in the 20's.
This only works for WPG. If Morssey continues to be good, and Niku takes a step up, and Samburg( or someone like that) looks promising.
Still unlikely, but worth mentioning.
That's about as good as the Leafs can expect for a #1 pick in the 20's.
This only works for WPG. If Morssey continues to be good, and Niku takes a step up, and Samburg( or someone like that) looks promising.
Still unlikely, but worth mentioning.
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with the assets we have we legit could go ALL IN and get a fwd and a D man, but thats not how Dubas works. But being over the top is what these boards are for.
1st+Bracco+Levio for Panarin
2nd+Johansson+SDA/Holl for Petry
other teams fans my scoff at the value but I feel my offers are more than fair considering what high end rentals have gone for in the past.
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Holymakinaw
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Uh........I'm a Leaf fan and I scoff at your valuations. LOL. They're ridiculous.
Ask yourself: Would YOU give up Panarin for Bracco, Leivo and the 28th-31st OA pick???????
Jesus, Leaf fans. C'mon.
Randy Randerson
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I think those values are low but you also didn't include our two most valuable non-roster assets in Liljegren & Sandin, I'm sure we could afford upgrades on both fronts in terms of trade value but cap constraints will come into play and I think getting a Panarin just to push a Leivo/Johnsson/Kapanen/Brown off the roster is less of an upgrade than you'd be paying for because those guys should be pretty good NHL'ers.
I also like the idea of keeping the system stocked, if we're lucky enough to keep a train of ELC talent going and find a late round gem or two we might extend our contention window by the length of their ELC's. Like Brown/Hyman probably get unaffordable at their next contract so we'll have to trade them for probably futures, so if you have another wave of guys who are as good or better ready to take their place on ELC contracts (Bracco, Brooks, Grundstrom, Korshkov, SDA, etc) then you ice a good team for a while longer and you get some futures to continue the cycle
Chicago is a good example - Kane is still a star level player, Toews has dropped off but if he were still a 65-70pt stud two-way center that gives a core to build around (I think that Marner & Matthews will be a comparable duo, probably a poor man's Kane and a rich man's Toews). They've become less competitive because they couldn't afford to keep good support players and didn't have system replacements at the ready, now that they're getting some system talent in DeBrincat/Schmaltz they will probably start to get competitive again but that's where I see the key to sustainability. Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander/Rielly/Andersen should be a good enough core to build a contender around for quite a while as long as they aren't playing with guys like Anisimov (good player but not as a scoring line center), Panik, etc.
Pittsburgh has done it well, kept the same core in place and had affordable support pieces around them, so I would follow that model - make sure you're drafting a lot and have good scouting & development staff, don't lose pieces for nothing like JVR/Bozak, keep looking for UDFA talent which I think we do well and will have terrific bait for the next Panarin in terms of playing in a spot that will rack up their points, plan for turnover of supporting players and find ways to underpay support players on longer contracts - which I think we'll have an opportunity with Leivo this year if he plays well
QFT.
A year from now, the Leafs are going to be in a little bit of cap hell -- it may cost them Gardiner, and if not, will almost certainly cost them Marleau, and possibly Brown or Hyman. At that point, they'll be looking for more young guys to fill the gaps alongside the big 4 up front. Those replacements would typically be the guys that the Leafs drafted in 2015-2017.
Obviously, those 3 drafts were pretty light on forwards after Marner/Matthews-- and that's probably why the Leafs have done such a "dance" to hang onto the likes of Kapanen, Leivo, etc.
3-4 years down the road, the Leafs will undoubtedly have another "cap crunch" of some sort, and that's where having a young forward, that was drafted somewhere late in the 1st round, is going to be able to alleviate it, allowing the Leafs to walk from a guy that might otherwise make $3 or $4m.
Furthermore, the Leafs have one of the best 1-2-3 punches down the middle in the league. They have 2 of the league's top dynamic young wingers and Patrick Marleau. Both Nylander and Marleau can jump into the middle if need be. They have a great supporting cast of middle-6 wingers in Brown, Hyman, Kapanen and Leivo. Another winger is like the last thing they need. You could make the case for a 4th line C if Lindholm doesn't pan out.
