Friedman: Toronto looking at forwards

[bernmeister]

How are they in cap hell? The Leafs aren't trying to unload contracts so the entire premise of your post is absurd.

Did we suddenly wake up in a parallel universe, one in which the chatter as to TOR is not about how to deal w/reality that they have a handful of top, top $$$$$ players taking up a huge chunk of the cap?

Obv Matthews and MM and the sensibly priced Nylander make sense. But as CHI is seeing w/Kane and Toews, adding beyond that can be a backbreaker (Seabrook).
But the above trio makes sense, JT at his # does not, and that indulgence is forcing the premise of the OP, which YOU not I, are choosing to ignore.

Leafs are too top heavy. they either have to squeeze more mileage out the middle or deal a guy from the top [of those 4 Nylander is the only match b'c most other teams can't afford/won't pay for the corresponding cap hit].

It is unlikely someone will trade you a better 1m guy for a lesser guy same price. And if it happens, not only is it the exception to the rule, there is usually some x factor below the surface. Such is an anomaly.
Hence, a likely need to move a quality guy for depth.
Hence, premise is not absurd.

 

[The Assclown]

Did we suddenly wake up in a parallel universe, one in which the chatter as to TOR is not about how to deal w/reality that they have a handful of top, top $$$$$ players taking up a huge chunk of the cap?

Obv Matthews and MM and the sensibly priced Nylander make sense. But as CHI is seeing w/Kane and Toews, adding beyond that can be a backbreaker (Seabrook).
But the above trio makes sense, JT at his # does not, and that indulgence is forcing the premise of the OP, which YOU not I, are choosing to ignore.

Leafs are too top heavy. they either have to squeeze more mileage out the middle or deal a guy from the top [of those 4 Nylander is the only match b'c most other teams can't afford/won't pay for the corresponding cap hit].

It is unlikely someone will trade you a better 1m guy for a lesser guy same price. And if it happens, not only is it the exception to the rule, there is usually some x factor below the surface. Such is an anomaly.
Hence, a likely need to move a quality guy for depth.
Hence, premise is not absurd.

I'm still missing where the Leafs are actively trying to offload salary.

 

[Mrfenn92]

How about
Buch 3.25 expiring w/rfa + Strome 4.5 x 2 expiring ufa + Howden 863,333 end of elc -> rfa + DiGiuseppe .7m expiring + BUF 2021 3rd
ballpark a hair over 9, four Fs
for
Nylander 6.962,366 x4
Vesey .9 expiring
Simmonds 1.5 expiring
+ TOR 2020 2nd
ballpark a hair under 9.5 three Fs

Buch fills in top 6 W Strome = mid 6 pivot/RW, Howden = bottom 6 pivot w speed.
objective for added depth realized, slightly improve precious cap

Rangers get best player, slightly better pick, consolidate depth


thoughts?

How does your team get the best player and the better pick

 

[bernmeister]

How does your team get the best player and the better pick

Your inquiry in a vacuum is reasonable but it suffers from tunnel vision.
The whole deal included secondary pieces
Strome 4.5 x 2 expiring ufa
Howden 863,333 end of elc -> rfa
DiGiuseppe .7m expiring
each/any of these is >>>> than
Vesey .9 expiring
Simmonds 1.5 expiring

which value you ignore

as to the picks
TOR 2020 2nd
is def better than
BUF 2021 3rd
but you are dropping from a likely late 2nd to an early-mid at best 3rd.
how much of a drop is that, and how reasonable is that given the above?

The totality of the above, coupled with cap benefit [meager but every ounce of it is precious and useful atm] justifies better player to NY.
And again, Nylander is what he is, no more, no less; all his +s, all his -s, accurately measured.
Ditto same standard for Buch.

Buch is clearly less than more talented Nylander, but let's not pretend that Nylander, who is not quite elite, is Hall of Fame All Star quality and that Buch is drek.
There is a gap, but it is not even remotely THAT far apart.

Again, OP premise, Rangers needs, both objectives met.
Leafs get depth, NY consolidates vets on roster.

 

[broc]

Bern, you’re ignoring the fact that no one wants Ryan Strome, and that he is in fact a negative value player at this point. You’d have to pay someone to take him, lol.

Also, after this season, Buch is due for a raise. He will likely be making much closer to what Nylander already gets. So outside of this year, there is no cap savings for Toronto. In fact, after factoring toad Stromes 4.5 hit, it’s a bad trade for Toronto, let alone giving up the better pick.

its a fat load of “meh” you put together there- while sneaking in Stromes negative value contract- and you want Toronto to pay premium? Fat chance.

there is zero benefit to Toronto in your proposal, and lots of benefit to NYR. Typical.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Your inquiry in a vacuum is reasonable but it suffers from tunnel vision.
The whole deal included secondary pieces
Strome 4.5 x 2 expiring ufa
Howden 863,333 end of elc -> rfa
DiGiuseppe .7m expiring
each/any of these is >>>> than
Vesey .9 expiring
Simmonds 1.5 expiring

which value you ignore

as to the picks
TOR 2020 2nd
is def better than
BUF 2021 3rd
but you are dropping from a likely late 2nd to an early-mid at best 3rd.
how much of a drop is that, and how reasonable is that given the above?

The totality of the above, coupled with cap benefit [meager but every ounce of it is precious and useful atm] justifies better player to NY.
And again, Nylander is what he is, no more, no less; all his +s, all his -s, accurately measured.
Ditto same standard for Buch.

Buch is clearly less than more talented Nylander, but let's not pretend that Nylander, who is not quite elite, is Hall of Fame All Star quality and that Buch is drek.
There is a gap, but it is not even remotely THAT far apart.

Again, OP premise, Rangers needs, both objectives met.
Leafs get depth, NY consolidates vets on roster.

Didn’t say buch was crap, same as strome.
But you get a better winger and the leafs end up with buch needing a new deal after the season. Not to mention the expansion draft.
Howden and The Italian fella aren’t improvements over vesey or Simmonds.

So the leafs lose the better winger and pick and add more cap for really no reason.

 

[The Assclown]

Bern, you’re ignoring the fact that no one wants Ryan Strome, and that he is in fact a negative value player at this point. You’d have to pay someone to take him, lol.

Also, after this season, Buch is due for a raise. He will likely be making much closer to what Nylander already gets. So outside of this year, there is no cap savings for Toronto. In fact, after factoring toad Stromes 4.5 hit, it’s a bad trade for Toronto, let alone giving up the better pick.

its a fat load of “meh” you put together there- while sneaking in Stromes negative value contract- and you want Toronto to pay premium? Fat chance.

there is zero benefit to Toronto in your proposal, and lots of benefit to NYR. Typical.

Oh but Toronto is up against the cap in their unique situation that no one else in the league is in- their stars can be had for pennies on the dollar + Buch and Strome if they're lucky.

 

[CatchyTune]

Something around McCann for Dermott?

Yeah i would absolutely do something like that, only thing is McCann makes almost $3 million so we would have to make cap room or wait until closer to the deadline so we accrue cap

 

[Leafidelity]

Travis Konecny is a healthy scratch tonight

 

[pucksakes666]

When are they gonna give mark hunter's pick a chance korshkov

 

[CatchyTune]

Travis Konecny is a healthy scratch tonight

I wouldnt get any ideas there.

Also, does anyone know why? He has 8 points in 8 games

 

[CatchyTune]

When are they gonna give mark hunter's pick a chance korshkov

he would have had a shot but signed in the KHL for a year i believe, probably just because of AHL uncertainty.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How about
Buch 3.25 expiring w/rfa + Strome 4.5 x 2 expiring ufa + Howden 863,333 end of elc -> rfa + DiGiuseppe .7m expiring + BUF 2021 3rd
ballpark a hair over 9, four Fs
for
Nylander 6.962,366 x4
Vesey .9 expiring
Simmonds 1.5 expiring
+ TOR 2020 2nd
ballpark a hair under 9.5 three Fs

Buch fills in top 6 W Strome = mid 6 pivot/RW, Howden = bottom 6 pivot w speed.
objective for added depth realized, slightly improve precious cap

Rangers get best player, slightly better pick, consolidate depth


thoughts?

This is garbage, somehow you get the best player and the best pick.

The Leafs aren't trying to unload salary but even if they were they could do A LOT better than this

 

[Petrus]

What's with Bern and his undying yet unrequited love for Nylander?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Ryan Strome needs to be traded off of NYR for the good of the board.

 

[Sniper99]

I think the Leafs are winning. I think we have a chance this year. I think trading Reilly may not be such a good idea.

would sure be nice if he new what an actual slap shot is. Not these little 10 mph hope it banks off something and in shots.

 

[Martin Skoula]

would sure be nice if he new what an actual slap shot is. Not these little 10 mph hope it banks off something and in shots.

Those aren't meant to score, he's playing a game of attrition by aiming it at shinpads. Nobody's beating us when he's taken out all of the North Division D by March.

 

[The Man with a Plan]

Seems like a LOT of other fans have forgotten that the leafs are 7-2 and not in any sort of dire need for change. Scoring is good and one of the top PPs in the league along with top 5 faceoffs

If Bern thinks we only have WN as a chip hes blind and homered in on fake news. We have a lot of young talent on the cusp and some cheap vets on 1 yr deals. We don't have any bad deals no matter what someone thinks about a 47 goal scorer in JT. Anyone made available would be wanted by a number of teams immediately.

Our top 4 is doing great and improving game by game and we have a battle for the third pairing as it should be.

If any trade is made by TO it is likely for a backup goalie and it wont be a blockbuster whatsoever

 

[Dragao6]

Bring kadri back
Sam Bennett, nick ritchie, Lawson crouse

 

[Fonzieleaf]

W

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Sam Bennett is available I bet they look into him

 

[MagicalRazor]

Id assume the very very max leafs would be willing to dish out would be a second round pick depending on how long thorton is away. And the max salary would have to be 1.25M

So dont come in here with players you aren’t willing to let go for dirt cheep and have caps over 1.25 M

 

[sxvnert]

Bennett = Perfect #3 LW for leafs.

 

[voxel]

Bennett = Perfect #3 LW for leafs.

Cap space says hi. Leafs had to trade away Kap and AJ... how are they going to fit Bennett?

 

[OVO16]

Cap space says hi. Leafs had to trade away Kap and AJ... how are they going to fit Bennett?

Calgary would have to retain 50%. Bennett makes a lot of sense for the leafs