Proposal: Toronto - Las Vegas

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  1. Halla

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    Leafs send Fehr to Vegas for [email protected]

    Fehr has a better chance of making Vegas than TO, and Stoner has a better chance of making TO than Vegas. money is a wash, both guys are pending UFA

    low risk move for both teams and if it pans out, TO gets a #6-7 dman thats allows Dermott/Nielsen to not be rushed, and Vegas gets a 4th liner that could potentially captain the team.

    If it doesn't work out, both guys go to the AHL, and the teams are in the exact same place they started (1M dead cap for leafs, 2.2 for vegas)
     
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    Or we could just send Fehr to Vegas for fut considerations and clear the money and contract spot
     
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    Fehr has negative value (pens gave up a 4th to dump him) so the leafs would have to move a decent pick or prospect as well.

    rather just take the shot with Stoner at the same cap hit as Fehr
     
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    So move a 3rd with him clear that money and get Brown done
     
  5. Halla

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    they don't need to waste a 3rd to clear money.

    they can go over the cap by 10%, which means they can sign brown to a deal as much as 5M per (obviously he isnt gonna be that much, probably closer to 3m)

    then Lupul and Horton to LTIR gives them 10.5 in cap relief


    5+ million in space
     
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    How is the money a wash? Stoner is 3.25 and Fehr is 2mil. Proposal

    Stoner, Miller and 3rd in 2019 (Winnipeg)

    for

    Fehr
    Valiev
    Soshnikov

    All 3 can arguably step in to the Vegas line up
     
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    And that was after shopping him for months.
     
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    The quote you quoted even says "Stoner @2m" - AKA with LV retaining 1.25m. :shakehead
     
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    Vegas with Stoner = 3.25m
    Leafs with Fehr = 2.00m

    Vegas with Fehr + 1.25m retained on stoner = 3.25m
    Leafs with [email protected] = 2.00m

    both teams have the same hit before and after the trade, but its a good ol position swap. vegas could stand to unload a dman for a forward, and the leafs are the opposite.

    also not a chance does vegas give us miller and a 3rd for valiev and sosh. I doubt they do it even if you took out the 3rd
     
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    If Vegas retains enough to make the cap hits equal, which it sounds like the OP meant, then I would be all over this from TO's perspective. Great proposal.

    Might as well put the cap hit to better use, for both teams.
     
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    Stoner was put on waivers last year with no takers. Leafs certainly don't need an expensive LHD spare part.
    Fehr just might be needed as a fifth centre for the Leafs. Currently the Leafs have no one in the AHL that can come in an help the Leafs in case of injuries to any centres.
     
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    And Vegas just does this because they're feeling particularly friendly one day?
     
  13. Kamiccolo

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    I'm missing why the Leafs want a bottom pairing D when they already have 4 players too many for the spots available?

    Fehr can go to the AHL, Stoner winds up there as well. Difference is Fehr is cheaper.

    No thank you.
     
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    Leafs need a top pairing D, not any bottom 4 D.

    Would rather package up Fehr in something else, or just bury him, and then have the plethora of D we already have fight for the limited slots we already have.
     
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    Given Stoner's injury history do the Leafs really need another resident on Robidas island?
     
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    I totally understand the proposal and see how it could benefit both sides - but you're forgetting one thing: we can't waste the retention slot.

    We're already using one slot on Emelin, and we've got four high-priced UFA's to move (Sbisa, Garrison, Perron, Neal), so we really can't waste one on Stoner.

    I'm more than happy to send Stoner to the AHL, so he can work with Bischoff and Theodore (who will probably start the season there) and then maybe get called up later in the season after we've moved the other d-men. Plus, it sounds like Fehr could be more useful to the Marlies than he would to us (we've already got too many waiver-eligible forwards as it is).

    It was a good idea, OP - but it just doesn't quite work for us.
     
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    They can go 10 percent over in the off-season, not in the regular season. Also, with the rookie bonuses being paid this season in addition to lupul and Horton on the ltir, the leafs only have around 450,000 of cap so they can't sign brown.
     
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    And you're forgetting that if they use LTIR before the start of the season, they'll tight against the cap all season long.
     
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    Just keep 'em. We have nothing to Fehr but Fehr himself.
     
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    Fehr, smith and one of dermott, Nielsen, rosen, etc for future considerations.

    Only one of dermott, neilsen, Rosen etc will make the team anyways and the leafs get cap to sign brown as well as 2 roster spots. Vegas couldn't care less about cap and they get a defenseman who could make their top 6 in the near future.
     
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    We don't need Stoner

    Gards Zaitsev
    Reilly Hainsey
    ____ Carrick
    Marincin

    With Rosen/Borgman/Dermott battling for blank space.

    I actually don't mind Fehr in the pressbox, limited showing obviously but didn't play bad
     
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    We have cap now to sign Brown. No need whatsoever to dump Dermott Neilsen or Rosen
     
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    We don't have cap now. Otherwise brown wouldn't have been signed already. Even with lupul and Horton on ltir, the leafs still have to pay bonuses for their rookies and only have around 450000 of cap afterwards.
     
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    Leafs can sign Brown for $3M, demote Fehr, LTIR Horton and play Lupul and be under the cap by more than $500k... I had Rosen up with the big club.

    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (14)
    Right wing: W. Nylander ($894,167) - M. Marner ($894,167) - C. Brown ($3,000,000) - J. Lupul ($5,250,000) - Z. Hyman ($2,250,000)
    Centre: A. Matthews ($925,000) - N. Kadri ($4,500,000) - T. Bozak ($4,200,000) - D. Moore ($1,000,000)
    Left wing: P. Marleau ($6,250,000) - J. Van Riemsdyk ($4,250,000) - J. Leivo ($612,500) - L. Komarov ($2,950,000) - M. Martin ($2,500,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: R. Hainsey ($3,000,000) - N. Zaitsev ($4,500,000) - C. Carrick ($750,000)
    Left: M. Rielly ($5,000,000) - J. Gardiner ($4,050,000) - C. Rosén ($925,000) - M. Marincin ($1,250,000)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    F. Andersen ($5,000,000) - C. McElhinney ($850,000)

    AHL BURIED
    E. Fehr ($975,000)

    BUYOUTS
    T. Gleason ($1,333,333) - J. Cowen ($750,000) - M. Grabovski ($0)

    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 23
    NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
    Bonus Overages: $5,370,000
    Cap Hit: $74,429,167
    Cap Space: $570,833
     
  25. Halla

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    in this proposal stoner costs 2mil after retention

    so no difference
     

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