Proposal: Toronto - Colorado
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Groo
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Yes, that the rest of the league isn't in business to help your club by doing big favors
That's not a good offer
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Why would the Avs move the better player to pick up some unneeded parts?
Why would Toronto add a defender less than ideal in their own zone?
That's my thoughts...
Why would Toronto add a defender less than ideal in their own zone?
That's my thoughts...
hughdreamz
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The Avs were under a way different management model when they had O'Reilly. This trade is essentially the Avs trading a far superior and younger version of Gardiner for an expensive older version and parts.
The only player the Avs have interest in is Nylander. That would likely be a 1 for 1 trade.
The only player the Avs have interest in is Nylander. That would likely be a 1 for 1 trade.
SnizzNasty88
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You and I both know Nylander for Barrie is not fair. How much better than Gardiner is Barrie really? Far superior? Come on man, one game doesn't define a guy's career. Gardiner has put up a ton of points over the last two years and is arguably a better passer. Both aren't great in their own end..
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Liferleafer
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I would rather just not target Barrie at all.
Edit: Also, why was TO looking to move D for C at the deadline?
Avs44
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That's not quite what Friedman said I don't think.
Of course Colorado will listen to offers on Barrie, but that's pretty much non-news - I imagine every team will at least listen to offers on their players. But doesn't sound like he's really available.
Regarding your offer...no. The only reason the Avs would consider trading Barrie is because of what he'll demand on his next deal in two years time, and in the hope that Makar / Timmins can replace him. There's no need to swap Barrie for a pending UFA who will most likely also want a hefty contract that will simply kick in a year before Barrie's hypothetical extension would. No need for the Avs to downgrade for a couple of mediocre pieces. If Barrie is moved, it'll be a year from now in the off-season - or maybe at the deadline if the Avs completely suck this year (i.e. bottom 5). But I also think there's a good chance he'll be re-signed anyways.
Of course Colorado will listen to offers on Barrie, but that's pretty much non-news - I imagine every team will at least listen to offers on their players. But doesn't sound like he's really available.
Regarding your offer...no. The only reason the Avs would consider trading Barrie is because of what he'll demand on his next deal in two years time, and in the hope that Makar / Timmins can replace him. There's no need to swap Barrie for a pending UFA who will most likely also want a hefty contract that will simply kick in a year before Barrie's hypothetical extension would. No need for the Avs to downgrade for a couple of mediocre pieces. If Barrie is moved, it'll be a year from now in the off-season - or maybe at the deadline if the Avs completely suck this year (i.e. bottom 5). But I also think there's a good chance he'll be re-signed anyways.
If we’re moving on from Barrie, it’s because we think Makar or Timmins can replace him at a much cheaper cost. A Barrie trade would have to address scoring depth.
firstemperor
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Barrie for Gardiner is lateral at best for us, and no way I'm adding Johnsson to that.
Foppberg
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He didn't say that at all. He said it's dead quiet and that we have feel no pressure to make a deal, unless someone came to us with a hockey deal.
Spilot23
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If we trade Barrie to the Leafs, I would target Nylander. Can add pieces if needed to but I don't think Leafs touch this since from what I've heard from their fans, they are looking for a defensive Dman. No reason to trade Barrie for a lefty when we already have Zads, Girard and Cole (would probably be an upgrade there) but that would make our RHD really bad since you never know with EJ's health. Like tucker3434 said if we move Barrie that will probably mean that Makar or Timmins is ready to take a top 4 role to replace Barrie or if we have trouble getting Barrie signed with his contract demand.
Groo
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The Moose is Loose
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I don’t think Barrie makes sense for you guys anyway, but still. This is bad proposal when you’re giving Gardiner and relative spare parts.
Even if you don’t like Barrie you should take this deal
Patagonia
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As mentioned earlier, interest for Gardiner was due to their poor LHD and that problem has been resolved.
The rumours on trading for ROR happened around 2015. Gardiner had completed a poor season with 24 points and -23 +/-. ROR was subsequently moved and the AVs have steadily rebuilt their DMen.
They have sinced added LHD: Zadorov (ROR trade), Girard (Duchene trade), Cole (UFA), Nemeth (Waivers) and Barberio (Waivers). A concern is lack of LHD prospects which is a consideration entering the 2019 draft.
Gardiner is a 28 year old veteran headed for UFA. There is no need to add him onto the team for essentially a rental. There is a long-jam already on the position and the area of weakness would be RW.
Nylander or Marner would be of interest for Barrie, otherwise, there is no trade that can be made.
The rumours on trading for ROR happened around 2015. Gardiner had completed a poor season with 24 points and -23 +/-. ROR was subsequently moved and the AVs have steadily rebuilt their DMen.
They have sinced added LHD: Zadorov (ROR trade), Girard (Duchene trade), Cole (UFA), Nemeth (Waivers) and Barberio (Waivers). A concern is lack of LHD prospects which is a consideration entering the 2019 draft.
Gardiner is a 28 year old veteran headed for UFA. There is no need to add him onto the team for essentially a rental. There is a long-jam already on the position and the area of weakness would be RW.
Nylander or Marner would be of interest for Barrie, otherwise, there is no trade that can be made.
Randy Randerson
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I think right now is a bad time to propose this trade - Gardiner was very bad in the last game he played and Barrie had a career production year, so I think the perceptions are at an all time high in differential.
Barrie isn't the ideal profile of player for the Leafs, but neither is Gardiner, so if we could make that swap it might make sense for the Leafs if Dermott looks like he's ready to play on a 2nd pairing. For the Avs there would probably need to be an apparent need on LD with a shorted on RD, so if something were to happen like Makar/Timmins look ready to play in the NHL and Zadorov/Girard falter maybe it would make sense to revisit this down the road
I do think the gap between these guys is being exaggerated a bit, Barrie had a hell of an offensive year but he also lead the NHL in PP toi/gp for a defenseman, he was 12th in total pp toi despite missing 14 games (Gardiner with 82gp was 40th on that list with less than two thirds of the total pp toi despite 14 more games played). Barrie is a year younger, Gardiner has typically been a better possession player and played in a more balanced usage compared to Barrie's very offensive usage
Barrie isn't the ideal profile of player for the Leafs, but neither is Gardiner, so if we could make that swap it might make sense for the Leafs if Dermott looks like he's ready to play on a 2nd pairing. For the Avs there would probably need to be an apparent need on LD with a shorted on RD, so if something were to happen like Makar/Timmins look ready to play in the NHL and Zadorov/Girard falter maybe it would make sense to revisit this down the road
I do think the gap between these guys is being exaggerated a bit, Barrie had a hell of an offensive year but he also lead the NHL in PP toi/gp for a defenseman, he was 12th in total pp toi despite missing 14 games (Gardiner with 82gp was 40th on that list with less than two thirds of the total pp toi despite 14 more games played). Barrie is a year younger, Gardiner has typically been a better possession player and played in a more balanced usage compared to Barrie's very offensive usage
93gilmour93
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Easy pass for the leafs on this one. Gardiner is better defensively then Barrie and getting an extra say 10 points from the blue line isn't worth AJ plus a pick. This trade would hurt the leafs more then help them
You and I don’t both know Nylander for Barrie is unfair, actually.
Considering Tyson Barrie has a higher ppg from the blue line than your winger...
Randy Randerson
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remember that he also had about 4 more mins of ES toi/game and about 2 more mins of PP toi/game. Not trying to take anything away from Barrie, but the "game" part of his "points/game" was probably the most advantageous of any player in the NHL last year. Only Ovechkin and Kessel had more pp time per game
there's another defenseman who had similar usage last year, which was an upward change in PP time from earlier in his career - John Carlson. Have a look at his ppg from the start of his career until the beginning of last season vs last season
Not really. Still could use a RHD on the 2nd pairing. Or drop Rielly down to the 2nd pairing. They lack RHD’s. Legit RHD’s.
Lol, I enjoyed the intelligent Leaf fans from the other Barrie thread. Tyson for William is as fair as you can get, but majority of the Av fans prefer someone like Kadri instead.
Cousin Eddie
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That’s a horrendous deal for Colorado. Typical quantity for quality proposal that leafs fans continuously think they’re entitled to.
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Anything less Toronto slanted than let’s say kapanen for doughty is a trade that would “hurt the leafs more then(sic) help them”, if leafs fans on this site are to be believed.
Randy Randerson
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honest question - what makes Barrie better than Gardiner? If the answer is points per game, you've really gotta look into what constituted a "game" for each of them
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