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no thanks to carlsonIf I'm a Leafs fan I don't give up that much for Hamilton.... Doesn't make sense. Leafs will just get Carlson and call it a day.
no thanks to carlsonIf I'm a Leafs fan I don't give up that much for Hamilton.... Doesn't make sense. Leafs will just get Carlson and call it a day.
I’d do Nylander and Andreas Johnsson for Hamilton straight up.
Not only is Hamilton not what we need, idealistically, from the back-end (we need more of a top-pairing RHD defensive minute-eater that ideally, has size/physicality and can eat minutes on the PK)....but it's not worth the cost of Nylander.
There's a decent chance (or not) that Nylander's value may just shoot upwards as he's clearly on a rocky developmental path. Very simple changes, such as putting him on the top-pairing PP unit, or tweaking his usage (which would have openings with JVR/Bozak gone) would already put his productivity higher......or simply just having Babcock revisiting his expectations on him and giving him some leeway, some nights.
Most of us probably wouldn't do Nylander for Hamilton straight up, just not a great fit for us though the value is fine.
Johnsson is not a scrub either, he's the most NHL-ready prospect in our system (after Dermott graduated, he's probably ahead of Kapanen too- no one else is really close). He's been absolutely dominant in the AHL/Calder Cup, and he looked great in his stint up here as well, on the 4th line. Tough to put a projection on him but I would also go as far to say the far majority of fans would be in favour of a Jankrok deal for Johnsson right now, he's been that impressive.
Have you not read above? Most leaf fans wouldn't do 1 for 1.What about Hamilton and a fourth for nylander, a first and a third?
Have you not read above? Most leaf fans wouldn't do 1 for 1.
Flames fans are probably in same boat.
That;s because in all the threads they expect to get a top D for scraps.Nylander and their 1st for Hamilton and the Flames sound just about right and fair.Leaf fans wouldn't want to do 1 for 1... do you think they would do all these ++s for him?
Well Hamilton isn't a #1 defensemanI just don’t see how a 60 pts Winger can be worth more than a #1 RHD. I just can’t...
I agree with you that the leauge is based on precident however the part of the equation that you are forgetting is that Turris was part of that 3 team deal he was rumored to be looking at a large extention from Ottawa. Ottawa was backed into corner and needed to move Turris getting Duchene for a dollar figure that they know then a number. When you are a 'budget team' you need to know the dollars you are going to spend, the Leafs print money and they don't need to move Nylander and Gardiner as well as a pick if you are making a move like that you are going to get a diffrence maker personally I don't think Hamilton is that diffrence maker.NHL works a lot on precedent when negotiating trades and contracts. If we use the most recent Duchene trade as an example.
Duchene
for
OTT 2019 1st
NSH 2nd
OTT 3rd-
Shane Bowers (1st)
Vladislav Kamanev (2nd)
Sam Girard (2nd)
Who says hamilton has to get 60-70 points to be of equal value? If hamilton had 60-70 points he would eclipse your imaginary nylander at 80 points. A RHD #1 defender has way more value even at 40-50 points then a winger at 60 points. Everything you're saying is hypothetical and absurd in itself. But I guess that is par the course for you...nylander has a better chance at 80 points than hamilton does at 60-70. its much more common for forwards to have 70-80 points than it is for blueliners to amass only 10 less than that. its quite absurd you couldn't make that connection.
That would be Calgary's revenge forNYLANDER, GARDINER & 1st for HAMILTON?????
HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?
We can kill this thread.
Neither team wants anything to do with the other player. Calgary doesn't need a player like Nylander, and really needs a player like Dougie. Leafs want to keep Nylander and hope he improves YOY and converts to centre.
Neither team touches it.
Well Hamilton isn't a #1 defenseman
You should say it louder. I don’t think you got your point across.NYLANDER, GARDINER & 1st for HAMILTON?????
HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?
You forget to mention Toronto doesn't need a number 2 offensive dman (or unproven #1 if you insist that's what he projects to be)
A stay at home type is far more along the lines of what we need.
Nylander continuing to improve is not unreasonable, given age/skill etc.
If he converts to centre that's great, but certainly not a necessity.
why?
It's unbelievable that people keep up with this weird narrative'... it's almost like they never watch any flames games. I guess when they usually start at 10:30pm in ol' TO you can't expect any of their fans to have any actual accurate insite.I sincerely wish any of you claiming Hamilton isn't a number 1 would back that up statistically.
You won't be able to
He's a #1 on the Leafs easily.Well Hamilton isn't a #1 defenseman