Friedman: Toronto and SJ could pursue Panarnin as a rental.

[CBJx614]

It would make some sense for TOR if they did a big blockbuster to get RD David Savard and Artemi Panarin. You get Panarin to go “all in” this year. You also add a top 4 RHD for your defense long-term.

That’d be a deal that made sense to give up the Price for Panarin.

Leafs would cap room as well. Send Ron Hainsey the other way, and TOR could fit Horton and the bonus overage under the cap as well.

That starts with Nylander.

You're not getting our best player and our only true RD behind Jones for spare parts, 1 year or no.

 

[mikeyp24]

Better than letting him walk, no?

Unless CBJ thinks they are a contender with Panarin and not a contender without (even after you factor in his return)... They should trade him.

Winning a 1st round series with him is better then getting an average prospect and a 1st. We have the youngest team in the league 2 years running except after the TDL last year and are getting younger again by letting JJ go and only bringing in Nash. Any package that doesnt bring in a true roster replacement potentially is pointless. So a say Wahlstrom from NYI or Nylander or Trocheck etc unless we are getting a younger guy who can grow we rent him to ourselves for the playoffs and the hope the winning culture we are building grows further and guys develop even more. But a late 1st and a lets say Thomas from St Louis... why? That is not going to help us at all. Vilardi from the kings is a good optuon. Id love Middlestat though that isnt happening. We need a guy picked this year or last year who is ready for the jump or a.guy like Nylander who is young and can make an impact here. Would you rather pay Nylander 7 to 8 mil for 70pts or Panarin who scored a ppg on a CBJ team whose #2 scorer was a D 30 points back basically...


But people saying look at the Islanders you cant just let him walk... we can. We were the youngest team before him and will be close without him. And if by moving him the team gets worse but at least you got something... no thats not how our GM works. He manages to win every year. Vegas or Washington werent picked to win last year so we have a chance until we miss or lose. Id take my chances with him and risk him not signing then getting paid at a glass ceilling like a female actor according to 3rd wave feminism aka 70cents on the $.

 

[glucker]

No they can't, really. Not without giving up a good roster player like Kadri and a pick. Rental or not, the guy is 26 and has pretty much had three 30-goal, 75+ point seasons in a row. You do NOT get a player like that, for scraps.

Leafs would be dumb to do it. IE: They can't afford it.

Teams don’t give up important roster players for rentals. They may give up picks, prospects and/or young roster players like Kap, Brown, Johnsson, but if Minny is holding out for a 30 goal center signed for what, 4 more years at a low hit... they’re going to watch him walk July 1st.


There is no world in which 1 year of Panarin is worth 4 years of Kadri... let alone the Leafs adding a pick.

 

[mikeyp24]

It would make some sense for TOR if they did a big blockbuster to get RD David Savard and Artemi Panarin. You get Panarin to go “all in” this year. You also add a top 4 RHD for your defense long-term.

That’d be a deal that made sense to give up the Price for Panarin.

Leafs would cap room as well. Send Ron Hainsey the other way, and TOR could fit Horton and the bonus overage under the cap as well.

You know how much we would ask for a #3RHD in Savard+Bread? Nylander+1st+a prospect likely. Nylander and Kadri would also suffice.

 

[mikeyp24]

Teams don’t give up important roster players for rentals. They may give up picks, prospects and/or young roster players like Kap, Brown, Johnsson, but if Minny is holding out for a 30 goal center signed for what, 4 more years at a low hit... they’re going to watch him walk July 1st.


There is no world in which 1 year of Panarin is worth 4 years of Kadri... let alone the Leafs adding a pick.

We arent trading him for rental prices. We are selling him for you to sign. So we are asking for extended prices. We arent looking for futures if we dont get a good deal him walking after a playoff run is ok to us.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Teams don’t give up important roster players for rentals. They may give up picks, prospects and/or young roster players like Kap, Brown, Johnsson, but if Minny is holding out for a 30 goal center signed for what, 4 more years at a low hit... they’re going to watch him walk July 1st.


There is no world in which 1 year of Panarin is worth 4 years of Kadri... let alone the Leafs adding a pick.

LOL. Yes there is........in THIS world. Panarin is way better than Kadri. Panarin doesn't just have 3 months left on his contract, he has a full year!! Panarin will also likely re-sign with whoever gets him.

It's not in the cards for T.O. and you're out of your mind if you think you're getting a three time 75-point player for frigging Kapanen and a pick.

 

[Chayos]

I think the point of this exercise is Panarin testing to see if he can use his leverage of not signing long term to get Columbus to trade him to a team of his choice now. I am willing to bet CLB will trade him for value with an extension in place. Just like Ott should be doing with Karlsson.

 

[glucker]

We arent trading him for rental prices. We are selling him for you to sign. So we are asking for extended prices. We arent looking for futures if we dont get a good deal him walking after a playoff run is ok to us.

If he has a contract negotiated out, obviously that’s a different story, but doesn’t he want to go to Chicago or New York?

 

[glucker]

LOL. Yes there is........in THIS world. Panarin is way better than Kadri. Panarin doesn't just have 3 months left on his contract, he has a full year!! Panarin will also likely re-sign with whoever gets him.

It's not in the cards for T.O. and you're out of your mind if you think you're getting a three time 75-point player for frigging Kapanen and a pick.

Literally what Kessel got, signed and with cap retained, with some more pieces going either way.

NHL teams don’t make blockbuster trades for UFAs that want off their current team. Even Ottawa is struggling to get what they want for Karlsson.

HF posters think just because someone is a big name, they’ll get a huge package, and they’re almost always underwhelmed by the deals.

If Columbus could get a 2-way center who puts up 30/30 in a matchup role and is signed for 4 more years at 4.5 for a high scoring winger who wants out and will ask for a king’s ransom on his next contract, they’d have made that trade already.

 

[Volica]

Friedman literally says every thought that comes to his mind. Just a media guy not an insider like Bobo.

You have to listen/read when he’s musing around and serious. This guys seriously connected, but he also does a lot of radio random talk to fill air and pan to local crowds.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Kadri for Panarin

Four years of one of the best contracts in the league for one year of Panarin?
No thanks.

 

[mikeyp24]

If he has a contract negotiated out, obviously that’s a different story, but doesn’t he want to go to Chicago or New York?

Its been reported by some and speculated by others its those 2, cali teams, or florida teams.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Look to the McDonagh trade and pull back a bit for JT Miller. Not something that isn't doable

Panarin is a top 10 scorer. Not the same. At all.

Again — will cost you something you won’t want to give up. This isn’t a vacuum situation where no one else has a chance (like Tavares). There would be a lot of teams bidding. A LOT.

The guys you are ok w trading will not get it done. Just won’t.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Columbus will likely want a young top 6 forward + a top prospect and a 1st.

Exactly. The Caps would need to do Burakovsky, a D prospect (they have many), and a first.

Toronto will need to up their ante if they want Panarin

 

[Ridley Simon]

Literally what Kessel got, signed and with cap retained, with some more pieces going either way.

NHL teams don’t make blockbuster trades for UFAs that want off their current team. Even Ottawa is struggling to get what they want for Karlsson.

HF posters think just because someone is a big name, they’ll get a huge package, and they’re almost always underwhelmed by the deals.

If Columbus could get a 2-way center who puts up 30/30 in a matchup role and is signed for 4 more years at 4.5 for a high scoring winger who wants out and will ask for a king’s ransom on his next contract, they’d have made that trade already.

There are 29 other teams. Toronto will not “win” Panarin with Kapenen as the center piece. That’s so stupid. And don’t bring up Leivo or Carrick either. They are not worth anything.

Good Lord, Leaf Fan. You are unhinged.

 

[mikeyp24]

Literally what Kessel got, signed and with cap retained, with some more pieces going either way.

NHL teams don’t make blockbuster trades for UFAs that want off their current team. Even Ottawa is struggling to get what they want for Karlsson.

HF posters think just because someone is a big name, they’ll get a huge package, and they’re almost always underwhelmed by the deals.

If Columbus could get a 2-way center who puts up 30/30 in a matchup role and is signed for 4 more years at 4.5 for a high scoring winger who wants out and will ask for a king’s ransom on his next contract, they’d have made that trade already.

The last paragraph is where you are wrong. #1 Panarin has not asked out nor has he indicated he wants out in fact his agent said if this was about a 2 year deal it would be done already but its 8 and hes unsure he wants to be here that long in the city. So he let Columbus know just in case they wanted to make a move based.on that intel or if they were fine with him playing out the year. He told them he wont talk with any team about contracts after training camp. He is doing what Islander fans wished JT would have done. #2 Kadri might 30/30 in Toronto but he wouldnt do that here. We dont play the open offense he would need to put up those numbers. He would likely still hit 50 though maybe 55. 25 and 30 at best and if he doesnt need a PP to score because its unlikely he would see 1PP here. #3 Yes if it was about a true 1 year rental and the C was putting up those numbers for that cost that wasnt Kadri... id agree. But those numbers I dont see as the norm for him especially outside TOR qlong with Panarin more so being shopped extended instead of rented.

 

[justafan22]

I'd only trade Nylander in that type of package, if you can guarantee Panarin's staying long term. If not, that's a horrid trade for the leafs due to cost control

 

[AppsSyl]

As Friedman said, this is not speculation, but something he could see, and the scenario he laid out is that the Leafs would be adding Panarin as a rental for a run this year if they were to pursue him. In such a scenario, there is zero chance they trade Nylander. It would be a picks/prospects/non-core roster players type of package.

 

[Albz]

Why are ppl sayin why do the leafs need more fire power?? Lmaol what a dumb thing to say... if u can add a wicked winger for a decent price than you doo.... people and their obsession with torontos D is so out of wack... if this js true and leafs get him for a decent price than that be freaking awesome...

 

[ThorNton Apologist]

I'd rather try to get Vilardi or Borgstrom than a package from Toronto.

Good luck. Columbus has little to no leverage

 

[82Ninety42011]

why would they be letting in 5 goals per game? They let in 2.8 last year with a worse roster. Let the other team worry about playing defense

I was being sarcastic don't think they let in 5 against or 10 for either.

 

[82Ninety42011]

Great, who's available at a discounted price?

What makes you think your getting anyone at a discount? I'm just going by need and offense is not one for Leafs Dman specifically RH is. Why waste assets on more scoring? Something called cap to you might want to consider and yes they can afford him as a rental but why waste assets on a rental when he's not even needed??

 

[82Ninety42011]

Who says they wouldn't add a RD as well? You add more firepower because if you can continue adding skill, you absolutely do it.

Well you need to trade assets to get why waste some on Panarin when he's not needed??

 

[82Ninety42011]

Why not add more firepower? The goal of hockey is to outscore the opposition, and I don't think there's any natural law that says you have to have a particular mix of players in order to do so successfully. Adding Panarin to the Leafs would give them hilariously good forward depth.

You only need so much fire power and there is already a lot of offensive stars on Leafs. There is only so much ice time to be had.

 

[82Ninety42011]

You win games by scoring more than your opponent. If defensive options are poor, I have zero issues if they continue to stack the offense.

Only so much ice time and Leafs already have a stacked top 9.