Player Discussion Torey Krug V

[UncleRico]

Basically for the Bs to make a serious run again the offense is going to have to come from somewhere. If they trade Krug and the team still can generate offense then fine. That's a very big if, though. If they trade Krug and his offense is not replaced then the team is hosed from being Cup contenders. Where they need to improve most is in 5 v 5 scoring. We all saw the way the Finals were reffed -- swallowed whistles. The Blues were a better 5 v 5 team, and edged the Bs out as a result. I do think the Bs can make a deep run without Krug, but with the huge caveat that they absolutely must have his offensive production replaced, whether that comes from the forwards or the D. The D itself in its own zone will be fine without Krug. There is enough depth. It's the transition game, PP obviously, and the Ozone where someone will have to step up. I say all of that wanting badly for Krug to stay with the team because I understand what he brings. I'm just saying that there is more than one way to skin a cat, and if proper moves are made then the team can certainly compete for a Cup without Krug.

Krug was a monster on the power play in the playoffs but only had 6 even strength points in the playoffs, which had him tied for 12th on the team for even strength points.

While krug saw the majority of the power play time and with the top unit, the 2nd unit led by McAvoy actually scored at a higher rate than the first unit with krug. With that said both units were very effective on the power play in the playoffs regardless.

 

[missingchicklet]

Krug was a monster on the power play in the playoffs but only had 6 even strength points in the playoffs, which had him tied for 12th on the team for even strength points.

While krug saw the majority of the power play time and with the top unit, the 2nd unit led by McAvoy actually scored at a higher rate than the first unit with krug. With that said both units were very effective on the power play in the playoffs regardless.

And 0 even strength goals in 24 playoff games. 19 of his 47 assists in the regular season were even strength. Krug is such a unique player. He's a luxury I'm afraid the Bs will not be able to afford if he ends up seeking big time money at max term.

 

[ODAAT]

my prediction is, if the B`s move Krug, fans here will be screaming about elements of his game that the B`s are badly missing

 

[Gee Wally]

my prediction is, if the B`s move Krug, fans here will be screaming about elements of his game that the B`s are badly missing

Yup...we go right back to the years of 'we need a PMD'......

 

[Over the volcano]

Krug was a monster on the power play in the playoffs but only had 6 even strength points in the playoffs, which had him tied for 12th on the team for even strength points.

While krug saw the majority of the power play time and with the top unit, the 2nd unit led by McAvoy actually scored at a higher rate than the first unit with krug. With that said both units were very effective on the power play in the playoffs regardless.

. . . and tied for first among defensemen.

Krug is a 100% gamer, no way they walk away from that, would leave a big hole in the heart of the team.

 

[UncleRico]

. . . and tied for first among defensemen.

Krug is a 100% gamer, no way they walk away from that, would leave a big hole in the heart of the team.

He literally gets the vast majority of offensive zone opportunities. He needed to be much better Even Strength offensively.

Krug had 87 offensive zone starts Even Strength in the playoffs for the bruins. Next highest defenders offensive zone starts was Carlo with 50.

The only player to have a worse shooting percentage in the playoffs for the bruins was John Moore. Krug needed to be much better Even Strength.

He was great on the power play, but not Even strength.

Also Tuukka had a 92.6 save percentage Even Strength with krug on the ice which was 12th on the team and the team had a 7.7% shooting percentage with krug on the ice Even Strength which was 15th on the team out of 22 possible skaters.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yup...we go right back to the years of 'we need a PMD'......

I’m not sure, Mcavoy and Grzelcyk are pretty good PMD. You also have Vaakanainen and even Zboril almost ready to make the jump. Not saying we shouldn’t keep Krug another year, but if the right offer came around...

 

[Over the volcano]

Who was the last Bruins defenseman to put up 3 consecutive 50pt seasons? Bourque?

As far as contracts go I’d offer him Marchand’s deal - maybe short a year or two. It’d be good for him, the team and his running feud with Marchand.

 

[Gee Wally]

I’m not sure, Mcavoy and Grzelcyk are pretty good PMD. You also have Vaakanainen and even Zboril almost ready to make the jump. Not saying we shouldn’t keep Krug another year, but if the right offer came around...

Mcavoy and Grz arent in the same league as Krug no matter how you measure it for getting it out and up IMO.
The other two aint proved shit yet.

Like I said you go forward without a PMD you may as well kiss goodbye whatever contention you hope to have.

Now if they have a proven replacement thats a horse of a different color. I trade anybody ( I dont believe in untouchable) as long as two things:

1 - You dont make a hole by filling one.

2 - You have talent to step up seamlessly or better.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Mcavoy and Grz arent in the same league as Krug no matter how you measure it for getting it out and up IMO.
The other two aint proved **** yet.

Like I said you go forward without a PMD you may as well kiss goodbye whatever contention you hope to have.

Now if they have a proven replacement thats a horse of a different color. I trade anybody ( I dont believe in untouchable) as long as two things:

1 - You dont make a hole by filling one.

2 - You have talent to step up seamlessly or better.

I disagree that Mcavoy and Grzelcyk aren’t as good at moving the puck. I think Krug is far better in the offensive zone, but Grzelcyk might be the best at skating it out of the D zone. I don’t think it would be making a hole if we were to get a top 6 RW back in the trade. At that point you’re hoping the RW will give you similar offense as Krug and whatever prospect just has to play a solid game.

I think saying we’d be back to having a defense full of Mcquaids, Wards and Hnideys is misleading. Even guys like Carlo and Clifton are plus skaters that can move the puck.

 

[UncleRico]

Yup...we go right back to the years of 'we need a PMD'......

We have much better offensive forwards now than we did before we got krug. Hell, McAvoy had as many even strength assists as Krug and 2 more goals in way less offensive opportunity. We also have guys like gryz and players coming up the pipeline like lauzon who are offensively gifted.

To say we go right back to the years of not having a puck moving defensemen lacks a ton of context to the defensive group we had back then to the group we have now.

 

[Gee Wally]

We have much better offensive forwards now than we did before we got krug. Hell, McAvoy had as many even strength assists as Krug and 2 more goals in way less offensive opportunity. We also have guys like gryz and players coming up the pipeline like lauzon who are offensively gifted.

To say we go right back to the years of not having a puck moving defensemen lacks a ton of context to the defensive group we had back then to the group we have now.

And ignoring pp is discounting a large part of todays games played.

I already spoke to those that havent shown squat at this level earlier.

 

[Over the volcano]

We have much better offensive forwards now than we did before we got krug. Hell, McAvoy had as many even strength assists as Krug and 2 more goals in way less offensive opportunity. We also have guys like gryz and players coming up the pipeline like lauzon who are offensively gifted.

To say we go right back to the years of not having a puck moving defensemen lacks a ton of context to the defensive group we had back then to the group we have now.

Man, Krug put up more pts last year’s playoffs than Lauzon had in two years in the AHL combined. . . might be a good time to get some fresh air.

 

[TCB]

[QUOTE="Gee Wally, post: 163681585, member: 195"]Mcavoy and Grz arent in the same league as Krug no matter how you measure it for getting it out and up IMO.
The other two aint proved **** yet.

Like I said you go forward without a PMD you may as well kiss goodbye whatever contention you hope to have.

Now if they have a proven replacement thats a horse of a different color. I trade anybody ( I dont believe in untouchable) as long as two things:

1 - You dont make a hole by filling one.

2 - You have talent to step up seamlessly or better.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't be further from the truth. Not only is McAvoy in Krug league he's about to go by it. He's that good.

Not knocking Krug in anyway he's been great, but McAvoy played the most minutes in the playoffs per game as Bruin defender for a reason, he's a stud, and although dealing Krug may not be what everyone wants to see, but it may end up being the best option for the Bruins. When you consider they need to get under the cap not only for this year, but next year as well, and what he can bring back for a return, the Bruins would be dealing from a position of strength and it will shortly become a team lead by McAvoy with or without Krug.

 

[JOKER 192]

You want a drunk wife and full barrel of wine

- Old Italian Saying

Choices will have to made, I think we have a better in house chance of replacing Krug than we do of filling in the void at 2RW. I don't think you necessarily have to replace Krug. PMD, are not lacking on this team these days. The only guy who struggles with that now is Chara. Charlie can handle the PP , not the same as Krug but effectively.

 

[UncleRico]

And ignoring pp is discounting a large part of todays games played.

I already spoke to those that havent shown squat at this level earlier.

Earlier this year, though given a small sample size the power play was operating at over 30% while krug was gone.

In the playoffs the 2nd unit with McAvoy scored at a higher rate on the power play than the first unit did with krug. Obviously they had less chances, but they scored at a higher rate.

 

[DKH]

Curios what Krug contract looks like

 

[alg363636]

We made it within a game of the SC because of our PP. Why would ruin the only thing that worked for us offensively?

 

[KillerMillerTime]

We made it within a game of the SC because of our PP. Why would ruin the only thing that worked for us offensively?

We made it within a game of the SC because of our PP. Why would ruin the only thing that worked for us offensively?

You can't have it all in a hardcap world. Unless
you can LTIR Backes, you will
have to basically move one of Carlo or DeBrusk
if you want to pay Krug starting 2020-21.

 

[TCB]

We made it within a game of the SC because of our PP. Why would ruin the only thing that worked for us offensively?

"Tuukka says Hi"

 

[member 96824]

Analyzing how Torey Krug contributes offensively

Data suggests there’s a lot more to it than just slotting a different player in.

The argument about the 2nd unit doesn’t carry much weight IMO.
What happens to the second unit if you have now moved McAvoy to the first?
Who replaces him?
Does that improve things?
Have you weakened both the first and the second units?
How does this impact the strategy that opposing PKs implement if you become even more top heavy?

 

[member 96824]

You can't have it all in a hardcap world. Unless
you can LTIR Backes, you will
have to basically move one of Carlo or DeBrusk
if you want to pay Krug starting 2020-21.

Torey still has a contract in 2019-20, a year when most of our core pushes the limit to what “prime” in the NHL is. Let’s focus on that

 

[JOKER 192]

We made it within a game of the SC because of our PP. Why would ruin the only thing that worked for us offensively?

Because all that has to happen is the opposing coach goes crying in the media about penalties and the PP magically disappears. Then what, when you can't score 5 on 5?

 

[ODAAT]

Mcavoy and Grz arent in the same league as Krug no matter how you measure it for getting it out and up IMO.
The other two aint proved **** yet.

Like I said you go forward without a PMD you may as well kiss goodbye whatever contention you hope to have.

Now if they have a proven replacement thats a horse of a different color. I trade anybody ( I dont believe in untouchable) as long as two things:

1 - You dont make a hole by filling one.

2 - You have talent to step up seamlessly or better.

Great post Wally

 

[UncleRico]

We made it within a game of the SC because of our PP. Why would ruin the only thing that worked for us offensively?

We made it within a game of the Stanley cup because of Tuukka Rask.