Player Discussion Torey Krug IV

[Colt.45Orr]

Carlo was more physical (and effective doing so) in my viewings of him in the WHL where he had a size advantage over most guys and could be quite physical and effective stapling guys to the boards. Because he made the NHL ahead of schedule and before his body was close to being done filling out, he has looked weak on his skates at times. He is battling against some of the best conditioned athletes in the world, but he's had chances to be more physical and he hasn't. Now that he is starting to get his man strength, I believe he put on 10 pounds of muscle this summer, he will continue to become more and more effective. I watched his first fight in Vancouver and the thing about it wasn't the fight...it was the fact that he finally snapped. Way too long of a fuse, Vancouver third and fourth liners were running him and hacking him and there was just no respect for him. He was slamming the bench door a few times before the shift where he finally just dropped his gloves and mauled the guy. He should have done that a year ago and he's going to need to do it (physical play) more to earn some respect back from opponents who don't fear him physically at all. With his fantastic size and skating ability he could be great at tracking guys down and rubbing them out into the boards.

 

[Don Cherry]

No. We veered off a bit. This back and forth is about Carlo, not Krug.

Agreed and I'm guilty of this.

Torey Krug, great offensive defenseman and I guy I would like to keep.

 

[hrdpuk]

I know this isn't a Carlo thread but since he's being brought into it...

Carlo is probably the most underrated player on the Bruins . He's a top 4 D man on any team and will only get better . He's basically a rookie playing top minutes on a top team.

What would it take to replace him and at what cost ? How many top 4 D men are available? His cap hit is under 1 mil and he's 21, 6'5" 203 lbs . he's every gm's dream player.

To trade him would be the worst move possible

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

This in from Torey Krug on Spittin’ Chiclets podcast with former NHLers Ryan Whitney and Paul Bissonnette, Krug’s talk about the new speed game of the NHL and how crucial it is for a d-man to rapidly retrieve pucks in the defensive zone and then move the puck fast and true up to fast-breaking forwards.

The game has changed, Krug said. “My first couple years in the league I was, with the d-corps we had, it was like big, tough d-men and we used to joke about it, a couple guys in the locker room, ‘Let’s try and get some more ice time.’ So we’d go out and practice and just start rimming pucks. Go behind the net, and it’s like a break-out drill and we’re just firing pucks off the glass. Now all of a sudden the game has changed so any time you do that our forwards get pissed off.”
“It’s a turnover now,” Whitney interjected. “It used to just be, ‘Get it out.’ But it’s coming right back, speed.”
“That’s what the game is,” Krug agreed.


Torey Krug said he 'laughed' about trade rumors involving him this summer


By Joe Haggerty

None of that seemed to shake Krug’s confidence in his job as a premier offensive D-man for the Black and Gold, however.

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“I don’t really see anybody doing my job here", said Krug.

 

[Gee Wally]

Torey Krug hopes to power up in time for Bruins opener - The Boston Globe

When healthy, Torey Krug is one of the best power-play quarterbacks in the NHL.
Last year, he set up 19 power-play goals, 12th among NHL players, and had five himself. Krug spent 3:26 a game on the man advantage, which was eighth among blue liners and a healthy chunk of his 20:24 overall workload. The Bruins wouldn’t have had the league’s fourth-best power play (23.64 percent success) without him.

There should be more of that coming, as Krug gets over another frustrating offseason.

The diminutive defenseman (5 feet 9 inches, 185 pounds) has not started a season fully healthy the last three years. He had right shoulder surgery to end 2016, knee surgery and a broken jaw before opening night of 2017, and is now hoping to be ready for Oct. 3 in Washington, if his ankle allows.


“Day to day, week to week, feeling better,” said Krug, who busted his left ankle May 4 against Tampa Bay and spent some of his summer in a boot. “Just trying to stay in the groove and get ready to play.”

Krug is full-go for practices. In Tuesday’s full-squad session at TD Garden, he assumed his usual spot atop the No. 1 PP formation and paired with Brandon Carlo in regular drills.

 

[Jaguar God]

Has this thread moved on from the asinine discussion of trading Krug?

Love the hobbit. Hope the Bruins keep him under contract for a long time.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

The Argument for Trading Torey Krug

Shipping up to Causeway's Colin Riddle makes a good case that it is time to move on from Torey Krug.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The Argument for Trading Torey Krug

Shipping up to Causeway's Colin Riddle makes a good case that it is time to move on from Torey Krug.

So trade an established Top 5 scoring defenseman because its possible in a best case scenario a defenseman with 17 career points over 68 games and one who hasnt made the NHL yet might score as much?

sounds like the typical "we dont need this dollar, we have 2 quarters right here"

The fact that his #1 argument is "but Krug's +/-..." says it all

Gryz looks good for what he is, but at the same time being able to skate the puck up the ice <> putting up points as a defenseman.

235 points in 398 games doesnt just fall from the sky. Nevermind the fact that Krug is still young too. He's 26. He is also improving every year, posting ppg of .50, .54, .63, .78 in order.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

So trade an established Top 5 scoring defenseman because its possible in a best case scenario a defenseman with 17 career points over 68 games and one who hasnt made the NHL yet might score as much?

sounds like the typical "we dont need this dollar, we have 2 quarters right here"

The fact that his #1 argument is "but Krug's +/-..." says it all

Gryz looks good for what he is, but at the same time being able to skate the puck up the ice <> putting up points as a defenseman.

235 points in 398 games doesnt just fall from the sky. Nevermind the fact that Krug is still young too. He's 26. He is also improving every year, posting ppg of .50, .54, .63, .78 in order.

Krug is due for a raise that Boston cannot afford with all their ELCs ending for Carlo/McAvoy & company. He is going to go. With Vaak looking good and Gryz providing good play we can afford to lose Krug for the right return. Preferably for a proven scoring forward. Which might do us a lot better down the road into the offseason than keeping Krug. We have to free up room for our young prospects some time. Vaak is a first rounder that looks ready to play in the NHL now.

I am a pro-Krug person myself. But I am also a realist to his business position with the team and think this article makes some good points.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Krug is due for a raise that Boston cannot afford with all their ELCs ending for Carlo/McAvoy & company. He is going to go. With Vaak looking good and Gryz providing good play we can afford to lose Krug for the right return. Preferably for a proven scoring forward. Which might do us a lot better down the road into the offseason than keeping Krug. We have to free up room for our young prospects some time. Vaak is a first rounder that looks ready to play in the NHL now.

I am a pro-Krug person myself. But I am also a realist to his business position with the team and think this article makes some good points.

So is Krug going for futures? Because isn't it the same situation if you trade him for a higher priced player at another position even when you still need to lock up McAvoy/Carlo?

 

[Tampbear]

So is Krug going for futures? Because isn't it the same situation if you trade him for a higher priced player at another position even when you still need to lock up McAvoy/Carlo?

I think we are simply in a position where his money is better spend on the forwards right now. McAvoy can cover some of his offense and we simply have the D to cover his position. If he can land us a high end RW or a solid middle six center we will be a much stronger team right now and going forward. Our 2nd and 3rd lines where invisible last year in the playoffs and were a clear weakness, perhaps as well as having two shorter LD, which would also be solved trading Krug who has a lot more value than Gryz does.

 

[Bumper]

+/- haters make no sense to me. if the other team scores more than yours, you lose the game. personally, I use the less-flawed relative plus/minus when available. I do player ratings using mostly that with some quality of competition and zone progress/loss sprinkled in. (players with huge minutes get small bonuses.) I would keep the younger better player making less money. "but the points" people must not understand how goals against matter. "ooh, shiny numbers!"

 

[Bumper]

...“I don’t really see anybody doing my job here", said Krug.

he must not be watching. I take this to mean that he dreads being asked to waive and would not trade easily.

 

[Mainehockey33]

So is Krug going for futures? Because isn't it the same situation if you trade him for a higher priced player at another position even when you still need to lock up McAvoy/Carlo?

Not necessarily. Say you trade Krug for Duchene signed long term at $6.25M, it would make the team cap hit more for this season. Next summer Krejci and Backes’s NTC’s disappear and you could move Krejci and have Duchene play 2C behind Bergeron. Hopefully Backes can be traded and a prospect plays 3C. In the long run it could save money.

 

[Mainehockey33]

he must not be watching. I take this to mean that he dreads being asked to waive and would not trade easily.

2nd best power play in the league behind Toronto’s insane offense, I’d say they’re getting the job done.

 

[00BW]

Heh. Toronto PP at 47% through 7 games.
Krug-less Bruins PP at 42% through 5 games.

That's your #1 and #2 PP teams in the NHL. I did not see the interview so I don't know if his statement was actually one of arrogance or just self confidence but if this keeps up another 5 games while he's out, he becomes more and more valuable a trade asset since he can only name 8 teams he can't be traded to and the Bruins do actually have people that can do his job here.

 

[ON3M4N]

Heh. Toronto PP at 47% through 7 games.
Krug-less Bruins PP at 42% through 5 games.

That's your #1 and #2 PP teams in the NHL. I did not see the interview so I don't know if his statement was actually one of arrogance or just self confidence but if this keeps up another 5 games while he's out, he becomes more and more valuable a trade asset since he can only name 8 teams he can't be traded to and the Bruins do actually have people that can do his job here.

Imagine how much better the PP would be with a guy like Krug back there. Grz has been ok, but Krug makes the PP that more lethal.

 

[VanIsle]

Bruins' Torey Krug expected to skate this week | Boston.com

Though Cassidy said that Krug would not be making the trip to Calgary for Wednesday night’s game, there is hope of seeing him on the ice in time for the Bruins’ trip up to Ottawa to face the Senators on Oct. 23.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Imagine how much better the PP would be with a guy like Krug back there. Grz has been ok, but Krug makes the PP that more lethal.

They've scored 5 goals, Grzelcyk has factored in on 2 of them (points wise). Lets be honest.... The PP is rolling and at 42% more so due to the fact that Marchand/Bergeron/Pastrnak play on the same unit Grzelcyk on the PP has been good, but he's not a driving force on it like Krug is.

 

[shoulders7]

They've scored 5 goals, Grzelcyk has factored in on 2 of them (points wise). Lets be honest.... The PP is rolling and at 42% more so due to the fact that Marchand/Bergeron/Pastrnak play on the same unit Grzelcyk on the PP has been good, but he's not a driving force on it like Krug is.

Small sample size and all, but how is he a “driving force” on it if the percentage has gone up without him to start the year? When the pp does well he is a driving force but when they do well while he is injured it is because of everybody else on it? Doesn’t he get to play with the same 3 players you mentioned above? Good logic there.

I want no part of trading Krug and like what he brings, just pointing out how your argument makes no sense. When the pp inevitably hits a dry spell before he comes back that argument will make more sense.

 

[Mainehockey33]

They've scored 5 goals, Grzelcyk has factored in on 2 of them (points wise). Lets be honest.... The PP is rolling and at 42% more so due to the fact that Marchand/Bergeron/Pastrnak play on the same unit Grzelcyk on the PP has been good, but he's not a driving force on it like Krug is.

For me the reason that it’s this good doesn’t matter as long as it’s good. I know Grzelcyk won’t replace Krug on the power play, but I don’t expect him to. I expect Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak to be good enough to keep the power play rolling with guys like Grzelcyk and Mcavoy helping out.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Small sample size and all, but how is he a “driving force” on it if the percentage has gone up without him to start the year? When the pp does well he is a driving force but when they do well while he is injured it is because of everybody else on it? Doesn’t he get to play with the same 3 players you mentioned above? Good logic there.

I want no part of trading Krug and like what he brings, just pointing out how your argument makes no sense. When the pp inevitably hits a dry spell before he comes back that argument will make more sense.

Because we can go off a large sample size with Krug to see he's a driving force on the PP? His 24 PPP last season had him tied for 6th for all defenseman, minimum 200 minutes played on the PP. He was tied for 2nd in Primary PP points with 18. He was top 10 for Points/60 for defenseman on the PP. Torey Krug is a driving force on the PP.

 

[ON3M4N]

Small sample size and all, but how is he a “driving force” on it if the percentage has gone up without him to start the year? When the pp does well he is a driving force but when they do well while he is injured it is because of everybody else on it? Doesn’t he get to play with the same 3 players you mentioned above? Good logic there.

I want no part of trading Krug and like what he brings, just pointing out how your argument makes no sense. When the pp inevitably hits a dry spell before he comes back that argument will make more sense.

You pretty much answered your own question by saying "small sample size". How can you compare a full season of PP% to that of 5 games? Over the last 5 years, the top PP comes in between 23% and 26% among the entire NHL. Do you really think Boston is going sustain a 42% PP scoring ratio?

 

[Sevendust]

Imagine how much better the PP would be with a guy like Krug back there. Grz has been ok, but Krug makes the PP that more lethal.

Actually this isnt good for Krug. Managment sees that a krugless team is playing well and doesnt have problems scoring. They have to make some decisons soon. His contract will soon be up and you have to look for an extension in the 6-7 million area. You have to be sure that Krug's offensive AND defensive game is worth that. I really like him but I have to say I would use his value and improve this team.

 

[ON3M4N]

Actually this isnt good for Krug. Managment sees that a krugless team is playing well and doesnt have problems scoring. They have to make some decisons soon. His contract will soon be up and you have to look for an extension in the 6-7 million area. You have to be sure that Krug's offensive AND defensive game is worth that. I really like him but I have to say I would use his value and improve this team.

We've also faced some of the worst teams in the league to start the season lol...

Buffalo, Ottawa, Edmonton and Detroit

^ I would hope without Krug we'd beat all those teams because they are all teams expected to miss the playoffs and a few are even favorites for worst record in the NHL.