Player Discussion Torey Krug IV

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Rangers just resigned Skjei to a 6 year/ $5.25m cap hit. Krug easily a 7m+ dman in this market
They’re rebuilding. Different type of need than the Bruins. I don’t think anything happens this year. When they start talking numbers is when things get interesting.
 
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Would a deal around Tory Krug for Matt Duchene make any sense? Provided we could unload Backes or Krejci it would be nice to get younger at the center position.
 

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Would a deal around Tory Krug for Matt Duchene make any sense? Provided we could unload Backes or Krejci it would be nice to get younger at the center position.

Ottawa would be foolish to take on Krejci or backes contract in a trade. If anything Ottawa will be looking to move pieces for young and upcoming players. Not an aging center and a LHD who will likely be on the back end of his career by the time they are relevant again and is expecting a pay raise in two seasons.
 

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Ottawa would be foolish to take on Krejci or backes contract in a trade. If anything Ottawa will be looking to move pieces for young and upcoming players. Not an aging center and a LHD who will likely be on the back end of his career by the time they are relevant again and is expecting a pay raise in two seasons.

I didn't explain enough... The goal being to offload one of Krejci or Backes to any team obviously Ottawa trying to get younger is not the answer.
 

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I didn't explain enough... The goal being to offload one of Krejci or Backes to any team obviously Ottawa trying to get younger is not the answer.

I’m just saying that Ottawa wouldn’t be interested in that deal. If the bruins were trying to unload backes or Krejci it would have to be to a contending team with cap space like the golden knights
 

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I’m just saying that Ottawa wouldn’t be interested in that deal. If the bruins were trying to unload backes or Krejci it would have to be to a contending team with cap space like the golden knights

Krejci maybe not, but why wouldn't they be interested in Backes? Like you said, they are rebuilding (typically means a young team). There is a good chance Karlsson is gone as it Stone, so where is the leadership in the locker room? I think its safe to say that OTT needs a culture change to get things heading in the right direction. If you traded him in the off-season next year, he's got 2yr with only $4 million actually owed per year. OTT isn't going to be spending to the cap, so do they really care that he's a $6 million cap hit?

Now am I saying it'll happen, no. There are some potential reason though why OTT/Backes could make sense.
 
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Krejci maybe not, but why wouldn't they be interested in Backes? Like you said, they are rebuilding (typically means a young team). There is a good chance Karlsson is gone as it Stone, so where is the leadership in the locker room? I think its safe to say that OTT needs a culture change to get things heading in the right direction. If you traded him in the off-season next year, he's got 2yr with only $4 million actually owed per year. OTT isn't going to be spending to the cap, so do they really care that he's a $6 million cap hit?

Now am I saying it'll happen, no. There are some potential reason though why OTT/Backes could make sense.

If I’m Ottawa and I’m looking to trade duchene out of fear of him not signing his next contract with the senators, I’m trading him for prospects.

Ottawa is probably 4-5 years away from being a playoff team again. Between now and then I imagine they will have a ton of roster turnover. Backes contract will be up and he will be out of the nhl most likely.

You honestly think Ottawa would even consider adding that much payroll over the next 3 years to have backes be a good locker room presence for a team that is expected to have a ton of roster turnover the next 3-4 years? Or do you think they would rather get cheap, cost controlled, young and upcoming prospects/players that can be with the team for the long haul?

I imagine they would prefer young cost controlled talent and leave the cap space for free agent signings when the time comes.

I would much prefer prospects + future free agent signing at $6mil than David Backes as a 3rd line winger over the next 3 years if I Ottawa rather than taking on an aging/expensive veteran who won’t be part of the teams long term future once they are good again.
 

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I didn't explain enough... The goal being to offload one of Krejci or Backes to any team obviously Ottawa trying to get younger is not the answer.
They both have no trade

I’m going ou in 3 hours for cocktails with FOK so maybe he knows something but he has told me previously Krejci likes it here

‘What he said was I’m not waiving my f***ing no trade’

But its a new year

Anyways I doubt they are all that interested the Duchene rumors linked before were BS with the agent probably err likely with Boston blessing to put that out

Boston always wanted the stylistically better fit and contract Landeskog offered - they been hot for him since his Kitchener days

Hope this helps

Also Krug is a Sweeney guy and his agent tight with Donny Swing ‘n a miss’. Krug has modified NMC

If it was Detroit he’s no doubt waving - that’s my landing spot for him in 2 years if he’s a UFA

We will get to enjoy Krug in the Division st least

That’s a scope for you posters

I once told his dad (yah I’m an insider reluctantly) he needs to switch his Tigers baseball jacket for a Red Sox one. But when you can talk Al Kaline, Norm Cash, and Bill Freehan with poppa Krug you got to give Torey extra props
 

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Ottawa can trade duchene for a first round pick and a good prospect and save 11.25 million in cap space over the next two years by not acquiring backes and Krug. Which would then jump to $13million in year 3 when Krug asks for $7million and backes is making $6million.

Much rather take the 1st round pick, prospect and $11.25mil-13mil in cap space to sign free agents who are in their mid-to-late 20’s rather than bringing in guys like Krug and backes who will be 31-32 (Krug) and backes who will be out of the league by then.
 

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If I’m Ottawa and I’m looking to trade duchene out of fear of him not signing his next contract with the senators, I’m trading him for prospects.

Ottawa is probably 4-5 years away from being a playoff team again. Between now and then I imagine they will have a ton of roster turnover. Backes contract will be up and he will be out of the nhl most likely.

You honestly think Ottawa would even consider adding that much payroll over the next 3 years to have backes be a good locker room presence for a team that is expected to have a ton of roster turnover the next 3-4 years? Or do you think they would rather get cheap, cost controlled, young and upcoming prospects/players that can be with the team for the long haul?

I imagine they would prefer young cost controlled talent and leave the cap space for free agent signings when the time comes.

I would much prefer prospects + future free agent signing at $6mil than David Backes as a 3rd line winger over the next 3 years if I Ottawa rather than taking on an aging/expensive veteran who won’t be part of the teams long term future once they are good again.

Specifically for Duchene ya sure. I was just talking more of why Backes could work for OTT. They can have a ton of young up and comers, but lets leadership and quality vets to mentor them, they may never reach their full potential. Again there's not spend to the cap so do they really care about cap space while their rebuilding? As you said lots of turnover for 3-4 years, so why wouldn't you want a steady leadership presence to help keep an inconsistent locker room somewhat consistent.

Not that I think Bruins would trade Backes within the division, but OTT could use a Backes type to help them get things back on track
 

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Specifically for Duchene ya sure. I was just talking more of why Backes could work for OTT. They can have a ton of young up and comers, but lets leadership and quality vets to mentor them, they may never reach their full potential. Again there's not spend to the cap so do they really care about cap space while their rebuilding? As you said lots of turnover for 3-4 years, so why wouldn't you want a steady leadership presence to help keep an inconsistent locker room somewhat consistent.

Not that I think Bruins would trade Backes within the division, but OTT could use a Backes type to help them get things back on track

If they are looking for leadership there’s plenty of chances over the next 3 years in free agency to get a younger/better player than backes at $6 mil who can provide leadership and actually be apart of the teams future. As well as produce for them on the ice rather than having an aging 3rd line winger on the downslope of his career.
 

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Ottawa can trade duchene for a first round pick and a good prospect and save 11.25 million in cap space over the next two years by not acquiring backes and Krug. Which would then jump to $13million in year 3 when Krug asks for $7million and backes is making $6million.

Much rather take the 1st round pick, prospect and $11.25mil-13mil in cap space to sign free agents who are in their mid-to-late 20’s rather than bringing in guys like Krug and backes who will be 31-32 (Krug) and backes who will be out of the league by then.
He never said trade Backes or Krejci to Ottawa.
 

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He never said trade Backes or Krejci to Ottawa.

You gotta scroll up and read from the start. Oneman quoted my response to someone else’s post who was talking about trading Krug and one of Krejci/backes to Ottawa for duchene and I said Ottawa wouldn’t accept that trade because backes offers them nothing.

Oneman said backes would give them quality leadership. And I simply am saying Ottawa can find other younger veterans to give them leadership over an aging backes.

So yes a trade is a topic of discussion here because Ottawa wouldn’t be able to get backes leadership without a trade. And there are plenty of other smarter avenues from a financial, leadership and talent perspective than Ottawa bringing in backes
 

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If they are looking for leadership there’s plenty of chances over the next 3 years in free agency to get a younger/better player than backes at $6 mil who can provide leadership and actually be apart of the teams future. As well as produce for them on the ice rather than having an aging 3rd line winger on the downslope of his career.

Interesting, what other options do you see for cheaper and younger that could provide equal leadership to Backes?
 

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Interesting, what other options do you see for cheaper and younger that could provide equal leadership to Backes?

Never said cheaper , but here’s a list of guys who are free agents over the next few years that are younger, can provide leadership and roughly cost you $6 mil and can be apart of the teams future.

2019 free agents:
Wayne Simmonds
Derick brassard
Blake wheeler
Mats Zuccarello
Yanni Gourde

Simmonds and gourde would likely cost around $7mil-7.5 but much better than backes at $6mil from a production standpoint going forward so it’s worth adding the extra money.

2020 free agents:

Chris Kreider
Mikael Granlund
Travis Hamonic
Tyler toffoli


Just a few names there that could be signed in free agency instead of bringing in backes who can produce at a higher level and provide quality leadership. Couple of them might cost an extra 1-1.5 million but well worth it for a younger, more productive player who can be apart of the teams future rather than just a 3rd line winger on a downslope.
 
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Never said cheaper , but here’s a list of guys who are free agents over the next few years that are younger, can provide leadership and roughly cost you $6 mil and can be apart of the teams future.

2019 free agents:
Wayne Simmonds
Derick brassard
Blake wheeler
Mats Zuccarello
Yanni Gourde

Simmonds and gourde would likely cost around $7mil-7.5 but much better than backes at $6mil from a production standpoint going forward so it’s worth adding the extra money.

2020 free agents:

Chris Kreider
Mikael Granlund
Travis Hamonic
Tyler toffoli


Just a few names there that could be signed in free agency instead of bringing in backes who can produce at a higher level and provide quality leadership. Couple of them might cost an extra 1-1.5 million but well worth it for a younger, more productive player who can be apart of the teams future rather than just a 3rd line winger on a downslope.

Interesting list. Have to wonder if those guys really want to go to OTT though don't you?
 

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Interesting list. Have to wonder if those guys really want to go to OTT though don't you?

I mean if we are playing that card same goes for backes with his no movement clause.

I’m just saying. If I’m Ottawa I’m exploring many many other avenues before I try to acquire backes for 3 years at $6mil because of leadership qualities while the senators are basement dwellers. As I stated first, I’m looking to acquire young talent with a duchene trade and not aging veterans.
 

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I mean if we are playing that card same goes for backes with his no movement clause.

I’m just saying. If I’m Ottawa I’m exploring many many other avenues before I try to acquire backes for 3 years at $6mil because of leadership qualities while the senators are basement dwellers. As I stated first, I’m looking to acquire young talent with a duchene trade and not aging veterans.

But I didn't say this off-season, I mentioned next off-season. His NMC ends after this season and goes to a M-NTC. Doesn't mean OTT would be on the list, but maybe they would be.
 

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But I didn't say this off-season, I mentioned next off-season. His NMC ends after this season and goes to a M-NTC. Doesn't mean OTT would be on the list, but maybe they would be.


Duchene is an UFA after this year so the trade you originally quoted me on (duchene for Krug and backes) would have to occur this year.
 

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#NHLTopPlayers: Top 20 Defensemen

He's a very polarizing player on this site - seems most here either love him or find him very flawed.

Ranked 16 on this particular list in the NHL. Thoughts?

He was 2nd in points-per-minute played last year among all NHL D-men (just behind Gostisbehere). There is certainly value in that ability.

Neither guy ever kills penalties. And based on that, you can be sure neither guy is ever tasked with shutting down opposing teams late in games.

Both are very good players, but neither are among the Top 20 D-men in the sport.

Charlie McAvoy could make a better case for belonging on this list, and even he's not quite there.....yet.
 
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undrafted, undersized, comes out and does nothing but put pts up on the board, competes intensely.

Does he have defensive deficiencies to his game? Absolutely, if this team were to move on from Torey, it better be for a player who, without question, makes this team stronger and they also better have one helluva plan in place for making up for those 50+ pts from the back end.

CM will, if all goes well, improve his offensive production but what would be left in the absence of TK is just not easy to replace IMO
 
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