Confirmed Trade: [TOR/STL] D Jordan Schmaltz for D Andreas Borgman

Albus Dumbledore

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Now it has come super weird that Leafs signed Teemu Kivihalme back then,
Kivihalme is way better d-man what most (all) of these trades/signings has brought to you. (minus Tyson Barrie and Cody Ceci)
you have Dermott injured, Kivihalme should play for the Leafs not in the AHL

I think Kivihalme is gonna surprise most of you Leafs fans with how good he is

Kivihalme > Harpur,Holl,Marincin,Schmaltz

Rielly-Ceci
Muzzin-Barrie
Sandin-Kivihalme
Schmaltz

With Dermott

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie
Sandin-Ceci
Kivihalme

Sandin has a lot of potential I think they will let him gain experience with the marlies for the year tbh. All the extra dman is to make the last few spots competitive, which babs wants, plus extra dman options for call ups.
 
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Bad move by leafs Borgman is better. Never got a chance last year after having pretty good first year in NHL.
 

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Dermott is our #3 RD when healthy (yes he shoots left)

Harpur - Dermott

till then Harpur - Schmaltz
Harpur as the number 3 ld? Rather Khivenen? If ya gonna paly td Rd might as well put him 2rd and push cece to the bottom. Don't think harpur is pencil in yet, he was a throw in and now we're starting him
 

Halla

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they traded borgman because he was putting up better numbers than liljegren in the ahl and that was embarrassing for them so they moved him.




you went from "knowing 6 leafs" to knowing a couple of minor league guys really quickly lol

a 23 year old should put up better numbers than a kid that could still play juniors.....

but also liljegren had 20pts in 56 total games Borgman had 19 in 58.....

Borgman is never gonna be anything more than a top 4 AHL D/ #7-8 NHL guy
 

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Bad move by leafs Borgman is better. Never got a chance last year after having pretty good first year in NHL.

probably because he was regularly the marlies 5th or 6th best dman

He was handily outplayed by guys like Holl, Rosen,Loverde,Liljegren,Marincin and Dermott the year he got sent down and that was reflected by him on the pine with those guys winning the calder
 

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This move buys Liljegren some time and prevents Holl from seeing regular minutes on the bottom pair. Decent lateral swap and Schmaltz will definitely get his chance in Toronto.


He's regressed since being demoted to the Marlies. Struggles to think the game fast enough even at the AHL level and his skating isn't good enough in transition so players just blow by him.

He's built like a Mack truck and will occasionally line somebody up, though. His upside at this point is probably a #7 tweener who can handle bottom pair minutes for short stretches, if paired with a competent partner.

This move has nothing to do with Holl not seeing bottom pair minutes that was never going to happen, Babcock won't play Holl he's proven that
 

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I'd love if Dubas made an NHL move that targeted someone with grit. Everyone and their mothers can see this roster will be pushed around all over the ice. That's not going to be very entertaining. Entertainment is actually why people watch sports.
 

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I think harpur took borgmans spot in the press box, and once a while muscle. And we just needed a rhd for injuries. I think its a win/win trade, at a very insignificant level.
 

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St. Louis has a history of plucking undervalued Leafs and seeing them blossom afterwards (Steen + Gunnarsson).

I doubt Borgman has that kind of upside, but I do think he can at least be a journeyman NHL that fills in for injuries, with a chance to be a solid #5-6 guy. This will be a big season for him in seeing what kind of future he has.
 

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Borgman has gotten worse every year with the leafs. He is now barely good enough to play with the marlies.
I don’t know much about schmaltz but borgman is terrible.
Weird how many “casual observers” suddenly think borgman has something to offer hahaha.
Literally the first sentence of my post is “this trade has minimal impact for both teams” Borgman isn’t gonna be anything more than a 7th D but he skates as well as Schmaltz, Shoots better, is more physical and a better defender. Schmaltz is a better passer and has more vision. Idk who this casual observer you’re talking about is.
 

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Literally the first sentence of my post is “this trade has minimal impact for both teams” Borgman isn’t gonna be anything more than a 7th D but he skates as well as Schmaltz, Shoots better, is more physical and a better defender. Schmaltz is a better passer and has more vision. Idk who this casual observer you’re talking about is.

Schmaltz is a better skater than the Borg.
 

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I think Borgman has quite long way to climb to injury fill in spot.

Code:
Gunnar - Pietro
Jbo - Parayko
Dunn - Bortuzzo
Edmundson

Mikkola - Reinke
Pouliot - Dotchin
Borgman - LaLeggia
Walman
 

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I'd love if Dubas made an NHL move that targeted someone with grit. Everyone and their mothers can see this roster will be pushed around all over the ice. That's not going to be very entertaining. Entertainment is actually why people watch sports.
The team is fluffy for sure, other then muzzin all his acquisitions have been on small or weak side p much.
 

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The team is fluffy for sure, other then muzzin all his acquisitions have been on small or weak side p much.

Ceci is 6”2, Schmaltz is also 6”2. Not saying they hit everything they see but those are not small players.

Look both players have something to prove. If Ceci can regain his form and be a solid number 4 I will take that. Schmaltz has to prove he is at worst a 6. Kivihalme from all accounts was one of the best if not the best D man in the SHL playoffs last season. If he can step in for Dermott we are laughing. Not saying I wouldn’t want a Chara esq player or two but we went from a tire fire to a pretty solid D without having to give up what most consider our two best D prospects.

This is how I see the pairings
Reilly Barrie
Muzzin Ceci
Kivihalme Schmaltz
Holl
 
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Ceci is 6”2, Schmaltz is also 6”2. Not saying they hit everything they see but those are not small players.

Look both players have something to prove. If Ceci can regain his form and be a solid number 4 I will take that. Schmaltz has to prove he is at worst a 6. Kivihalme from all accounts was one of the best if not the best D man in the SHL playoffs last season. If he can step in for Dermott we are laughing. Not saying I wouldn’t want a Chara esq player or two but we went from a tire fire to a pretty solid D without having to give up what most consider our two best D prospects.

This is how I see the pairings
Reilly Barrie
Muzzin Ceci
Kivihalme Schmaltz
Holl
If Schmaltz can use this trade as a shake up and live up to his potential shown when the Blues spent a 1st round pick on him then Toronto wins this deal in a landslide. Then again, if I win the lottery next week, I'll retire and buy and island. I think they both have about the same odds.

If you are looking for any type of physicality from Schmaltz, you'll be left feeling pretty empty. His ceiling is a 3rd pairing and his trajectory is probably a resident of the press box or a tweener for the AHL/NHL injury call-up. I just hope you aren't setting expectations too high on him as he will most likely disappoint. To me this was an AHL stocking move for both teams with the hopes that maybe a shakeup will help push them to an NHL roster full time. If not, no loss for either team.
 

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Ceci is 6”2, Schmaltz is also 6”2. Not saying they hit everything they see but those are not small players.

Look both players have something to prove. If Ceci can regain his form and be a solid number 4 I will take that. Schmaltz has to prove he is at worst a 6. Kivihalme from all accounts was one of the best if not the best D man in the SHL playoffs last season. If he can step in for Dermott we are laughing. Not saying I wouldn’t want a Chara esq player or two but we went from a tire fire to a pretty solid D without having to give up what most consider our two best D prospects.

This is how I see the pairings
Reilly Barrie
Muzzin Ceci
Kivihalme Schmaltz
Holl
I'd say Schmaltz plays like a small player but that wouldn't be fair to small players. The guy wants to play non contact hockey. Him being 6'2" brings nothing to the table.
 
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