Confirmed with Link: TOR Promotes John Lilley to Director of Amateur Scouting

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I don't know who that is but if Dubas & Co. think he's worth it, so do I. I have full faith in this management until they give me a reason not to.

they have done nothing for anyone to doubt them yet. Any posters doubting things like this have a bias against Dubas and it will be plain to see. As you say trust them 100% until they give us reason not to
 
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The front office is taking shape. A lot of internal promotions, which is not something I expected.

I would assume we will see a few more changes and hires as we move into the summer.
 
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I don't know who that is but if Dubas & Co. think he's worth it, so do I. I have full faith in this management until they give me a reason not to.

Was formerly out Director of US Scouting.

Our last 3 picks from the U.S have been Joseph Woll (3), J.D Greenway (3), and Jeremy Bracco (2).
 
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Was formerly out Director of US Scouting.

Our last 3 picks from the U.S have been Joseph Woll (3), J.D Greenway (3), and Jeremy Bracco (2).

A few signings like J. Holl, T. Moore, K. Kaskisuo and a few other NCAA free agents mostly on AHL contracts were likely scouted by him.
 
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Was formerly out Director of US Scouting.

Our last 3 picks from the U.S have been Joseph Woll (3), J.D Greenway (3), and Jeremy Bracco (2).

2 out of 3 tracking well and the 3rd had unforeseen personal issues. Pretty good last 3. I think its the ones before these 3 though that aren't so great,
 

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Was formerly out Director of US Scouting.

Our last 3 picks from the U.S have been Joseph Woll (3), J.D Greenway (3), and Jeremy Bracco (2).

What's the deal with JD Greenway? I believe I read that he had a rough year? All reports prior to the year suggested he could skate, move the puck and shoot on top of being big.
 

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It's kinda funny when you think about it. With 16 picks in the past two drafts, they didn't take a single player from the U.S.A, but then promote the director of US Scouting :laugh:
 

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What's the deal with JD Greenway? I believe I read that he had a rough year? All reports prior to the year suggested he could skate, move the puck and shoot on top of being big.

Off ice issues (no idea what they are). He's going back to the USHL to try to salvage his career. I don't think he's got much of a pro career... but what do I know. He struggled in development camp(s) from what I read.
 
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What's the deal with JD Greenway? I believe I read that he had a rough year? All reports prior to the year suggested he could skate, move the puck and shoot on top of being big.

Did have a rough year. Apparently there are some personal issues there. The issue with Greenway being in the NCAA, is there is practically no time for the Leafs development staff to work with him. Apparently that is why Jeremy Bracco left to go to the OHL, is so he could make regular trips to Toronto to work with the staff, watch the Leafs/Marlies practices etc

Greenway is now going to the USHL, which isn't... great. The CHL would have been a better option. In the USHL, he's a 6'4 20 year old going up against primarily 16 an 17 year olds. Any 18-20 year olds in that league... let's just say it's usually not a great sign that they are there.

Which is a shame, because out of the big d-man Hunter drafted, Greenway seems to have had the best puck and skating skills, though Fedor Gordeev has developed extremely well in that regard. OHL scouts were buzzing about Gordeev all year apparently.
 
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Basically your amateur scouting group consists of Dave Morrison, Wes Clark and John Lilley as basically the head parts of the group. Followed by Jim Paliafito (Evaluation), Lindsay Hofford (East), Tim Speltz (West), Ari Vuori (EU) and then a bunch of amateur scouts. We'll need to replace Lilley and his US spot. I expect the Leafs to add to their Russian scouting side as well.

If Hunter gets a NHL job in the future, I fully expect Hofford to follow him soon after.
 
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It's kinda funny when you think about it. With 16 picks in the past two drafts, they didn't take a single player from the U.S.A, but then promote the director of US Scouting :laugh:
Yeah that's interesting, wonder if it's more to do with his process and methodology and less to do with the certain players we've drafted.
 

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2 out of 3 tracking well and the 3rd had unforeseen personal issues. Pretty good last 3. I think its the ones before these 3 though that aren't so great,

There's a lot of good, and some bad obviously.

Since the 2007 draft the Leafs have drafted the following out of U.S schools, or the USNDP

2008: Jimmy Hayes, F (2/60)
2009: Jerry D'Amigo, F (6/158)
2009: Eric Knodel, D (5/128)
2009: Kenny Ryan, F (2/50)
2011: Max Everson, D (7/203)
2011: Dennis Robertson, D (6/173)
2011: Tony Cameranesi, F (5/130)
2011: Tyler Biggs, F (1/22)
2012: Dominic Toninato, F (5/126)
2014: Nolan Vesey, F (6/158)
2014: Dakota Joshua, F (5/128)
2014: J.J Piccinich, F (4/103)
2015: Jeremy Bracco, F (2/61)
2016: J.D Greenway, D (3/72)
2016: Joseph Woll, G (3/62)

Hayes, Toninato, and D'Amigo became NHL'ers. There's some hope with Bracco, and Woll playing in the NHL. There's some that think Dakota Joshua could eventually become a 3rd or 4th line guy still as well.

So out of 15 picks, 5 or 6 of them will probably see NHL ice.

Not bad production TBH
 

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A few signings like J. Holl, T. Moore, K. Kaskisuo and a few other NCAA free agents mostly on AHL contracts were likely scouted by him.

That's true as well. Another aspect to look at.

In fact, Lilley probably had a hand in the signing of Tyler Bozak as well as the scouting of Zach Hyman when we traded and signed him from FLA
 

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There's a lot of good, and some bad obviously.

Since the 2007 draft the Leafs have drafted the following out of U.S schools, or the USNDP

2008: Jimmy Hayes, F (2/60)
2009: Jerry D'Amigo, F (6/158)
2009: Eric Knodel, D (5/128)
2009: Kenny Ryan, F (2/50)
2011: Max Everson, D (7/203)
2011: Dennis Robertson, D (6/173)
2011: Tony Cameranesi, F (5/130)
2011: Tyler Biggs, F (1/22)
2012: Dominic Toninato, F (5/126)
2014: Nolan Vesey, F (6/158)
2014: Dakota Joshua, F (5/128)
2014: J.J Piccinich, F (4/103)
2015: Jeremy Bracco, F (2/61)
2016: J.D Greenway, D (3/72)
2016: Joseph Woll, G (3/62)

Hayes, Toninato, and D'Amigo became NHL'ers. There's some hope with Bracco, and Woll playing in the NHL. There's some that think Dakota Joshua could eventually become a 3rd or 4th line guy still as well.

So out of 15 picks, 5 or 6 of them will probably see NHL ice.

Not bad production TBH

yeah that's not bad at all. No stars though just serviceable bottom roster guys but a lot of them weren't exactly taken high in the draft either
 

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There's a lot of good, and some bad obviously.

Since the 2007 draft the Leafs have drafted the following out of U.S schools, or the USNDP

2008: Jimmy Hayes, F (2/60)
2009: Jerry D'Amigo, F (6/158)
2009: Eric Knodel, D (5/128)
2009: Kenny Ryan, F (2/50)
2011: Max Everson, D (7/203)
2011: Dennis Robertson, D (6/173)
2011: Tony Cameranesi, F (5/130)
2011: Tyler Biggs, F (1/22)
2012: Dominic Toninato, F (5/126)
2014: Nolan Vesey, F (6/158)
2014: Dakota Joshua, F (5/128)
2014: J.J Piccinich, F (4/103)
2015: Jeremy Bracco, F (2/61)
2016: J.D Greenway, D (3/72)
2016: Joseph Woll, G (3/62)

Hayes, Toninato, and D'Amigo became NHL'ers. There's some hope with Bracco, and Woll playing in the NHL. There's some that think Dakota Joshua could eventually become a 3rd or 4th line guy still as well.

So out of 15 picks, 5 or 6 of them will probably see NHL ice.

Not bad production TBH
That Biggs miss was pretty big, although to be fair it wasn't a huge reach by rankings it seems. Slated to go late first/early second.
 

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That Biggs miss was pretty big, although to be fair it wasn't a huge reach by rankings it seems. Slated to go late first/early second.

That one is pretty tough to judge.

Obviously Biggs was slated to go in that area (apparently DET was going to take him, which is why the Leafs moved up to get him).

Not only that, but it was known that Burke really wanted Biggs.
 
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There's a lot of good, and some bad obviously.

Since the 2007 draft the Leafs have drafted the following out of U.S schools, or the USNDP

2008: Jimmy Hayes, F (2/60)
2009: Jerry D'Amigo, F (6/158)
2009: Eric Knodel, D (5/128)
2009: Kenny Ryan, F (2/50)
2011: Max Everson, D (7/203)
2011: Dennis Robertson, D (6/173)
2011: Tony Cameranesi, F (5/130)
2011: Tyler Biggs, F (1/22)
2012: Dominic Toninato, F (5/126)
2014: Nolan Vesey, F (6/158)
2014: Dakota Joshua, F (5/128)
2014: J.J Piccinich, F (4/103)
2015: Jeremy Bracco, F (2/61)
2016: J.D Greenway, D (3/72)
2016: Joseph Woll, G (3/62)

Hayes, Toninato, and D'Amigo became NHL'ers. There's some hope with Bracco, and Woll playing in the NHL. There's some that think Dakota Joshua could eventually become a 3rd or 4th line guy still as well.

So out of 15 picks, 5 or 6 of them will probably see NHL ice.

Not bad production TBH

I was pretty hard on Lilley and the US scouting. I still think it's been underwhelming but looking at the whole picture, including UFA signings, it's at least average I suppose.
 

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That one is pretty tough to judge.

Obviously Biggs was slated to go in that area (apparently DET was going to take him, which is why the Leafs moved up to get him).

Not only that, but it was known that Burke really wanted Biggs.
Which makes 100% sense with Burke pushing for him.
 

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What's the deal with JD Greenway? I believe I read that he had a rough year? All reports prior to the year suggested he could skate, move the puck and shoot on top of being big.
I believe it's scholastic issues
 

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Know nothing about the guy but coming from big organizations working at the top and bottom of them im a big proponent of internal promotions. If an organization cannot develop or find competent people from within then they arent doing something(s) right.
 
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A couple of cups of coffee in the NHL don’t qualify a player as an NHLer, IMO. I wouldn't call D’Amigo an NHLer nor Toninato one yet. Still, US scouting improved over the early 00’s when drafting from that area was pretty bad. In any case, the criteria for this position may have been more about organization, leading a team of scouts, weighing viewpoints from different area scouts etc. It may have been less about “what prospects have you personally uncovered lately?”

In fact being able to say that, for example, the kid from Sweden is better than the prospect from my region, is a plus in this role.
 
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