Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

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Almost every other rfa deal this year has been a bridge. Leafs have their guys locked up. No complaints

...He locked them up for more money than most of those guys are likely to get after their bridge is up.

Rantanen is rumored to be coming in under 10.

I'm not sure how you spin this as a win.
 
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you hear and read how Tbay "has a culture" and Boston "has a culture"

thats starts from with in and is born by management and the players

our new rookie GM set our culture by bending and overpaying(weak GM) Nylander and by Nylander that greed is good.

IMO our "culture" should have been set by letting him watch last season from over seas (and this is NOT 20/20 hindsight) i have had this stance the entire time.

I think CupsOverCash hit the root of the point. People talk about tax advantages in TB--well, the GM has to sell that tax advantage to the players in order to keep their AAV down. And it's on Dubas to sell the advantages of playing in a big market to the Leafs in order to keep their AAV down. Instead, he had two, maybe three, players go for the jugular. They wanted the aav AND the big market advantages. And he gave it up to them.
 
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...He locked them up for more money than most of those guys are likely to get after their bridge is up.

Rantanen is rumored to be coming in under 10.

I'm not sure how you spin this as a win.

I guess paying top dollar to buy 4 total UFA years between Marner, Matthews, and Nylander is better than paying less and still having control of the player at the end of the contract.
 

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I guess paying top dollar to buy 4 total UFA years between Marner, Matthews, and Nylander is better than paying less and still having control of the player at the end of the contract.
YUP!!!! kinda staggering when you think they only bought 4 effn UFA years.
 

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...He locked them up for more money than most of those guys are likely to get after their bridge is up.

Rantanen is rumored to be coming in under 10.

I'm not sure how you spin this as a win.
We have no idea what they will make after their bridge deals.

"rumored"

Huge win to have an elite young forward core locked up through their prime years
 

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We have no idea what they will make after their bridge deals.

"rumored"

Huge win to have an elite young forward core locked up through their prime years

You do realize they will need to be resigned when they are 27-28 right?
 

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We have no idea what they will make after their bridge deals.

"rumored"

Huge win to have an elite young forward core locked up through their prime years

...At any cost? Like, at what point do you consider them overpaid? Not even overpaid but, at what point do you say, "Gee, I think this is a great player, but I really wish Dubas had been able to keep the AAV down."

Because it seems like there is no point where that becomes true for Leaf fans. There's a reason why fans of other teams are cringing at these deals, and it's not just "blind Leaf hate."

And we do have a pretty good idea what they'll make after their bridge deal. In TB, Brayden Point, if he remains a star player, will get 11% of the cap--whatever that is at the time. It's the same thing all his predecessors took. That's not a bad predictor when we've seen it four times in a row, and when the player in question took a great deal this time around.
 

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...At any cost? Like, at what point do you consider them overpaid? Not even overpaid but, at what point do you say, "Gee, I think this is a great player, but I really wish Dubas had been able to keep the AAV down."

Because it seems like there is no point where that becomes true for Leaf fans. There's a reason why fans of other teams are cringing at these deals, and it's not just "blind Leaf hate."

And we do have a pretty good idea what they'll make after their bridge deal. In TB, Brayden Point, if he remains a star player, will get 11% of the cap--whatever that is at the time. It's the same thing all his predecessors took. That's not a bad predictor when we've seen it four times in a row, and when the player in question took a great deal this time around.
Deals arent amazing but i'm not complaining. I'm sure management will have a plan, since its their jobs and all. My job as a fan is to watch these amazing players for the next 6 years. Gonna be a fun ride
 

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...At any cost? Like, at what point do you consider them overpaid? Not even overpaid but, at what point do you say, "Gee, I think this is a great player, but I really wish Dubas had been able to keep the AAV down."

Because it seems like there is no point where that becomes true for Leaf fans. There's a reason why fans of other teams are cringing at these deals, and it's not just "blind Leaf hate."

And we do have a pretty good idea what they'll make after their bridge deal. In TB, Brayden Point, if he remains a star player, will get 11% of the cap--whatever that is at the time. It's the same thing all his predecessors took. That's not a bad predictor when we've seen it four times in a row, and when the player in question took a great deal this time around.
Everyone takes less in Tampa. My real interest is what Rantenen gets. The Matthews and Marner contracts sure seem like a new way to build a team. Rantenen's contract will be an indication if that is the direction the league is going.
 

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Deals arent amazing but i'm not complaining. I'm sure management will have a plan, since its their jobs and all. My job as a fan is to watch these amazing players for the next 6 years. Gonna be a fun ride

Oh. Okay then.
 

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Deals arent amazing but i'm not complaining. I'm sure management will have a plan, since its their jobs and all. My job as a fan is to watch these amazing players for the next 6 years. Gonna be a fun ride
That's a lot of faith for a fan of a team who had a 10 year stretch of JFJ, Burke, and Nonnis.

I joke, obviously things got better with Shanny and Lou. But I might still be a little twitchy from that decade.
 

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Everyone takes less in Tampa. My real interest is what Rantenen gets. The Matthews and Marner contracts sure seem like a new way to build a team. Rantenen's contract will be an indication if that is the direction the league is going.

Yeah, and I think that's key. That this is new. Which is why I don't agree with forecasting absolute doom either. I just think it's important to acknowledge that this is only happening in Toronto, and there are risks involved. More risks than with other contracts. You really, really need the cap to go up in order to fill out the D. That said, this coming year should be a good one. But after that, I don't see how you move forward without a pretty big trade, and a trade you might not win, given that you'll be forced to make it. (Depends on how many potential trade partners you have, mind you.)
 

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That's a lot of faith for a fan of a team who had a 10 year stretch of JFJ, Burke, and Nonnis.

I joke, obviously things got better with Shanny and Lou. But I might still be a little twitchy from that decade.
Only thing i'll be twitchy from is how exciting this team will be to watch for the next 6+ years. No worries on my part
 

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...At any cost? Like, at what point do you consider them overpaid? Not even overpaid but, at what point do you say, "Gee, I think this is a great player, but I really wish Dubas had been able to keep the AAV down."

Because it seems like there is no point where that becomes true for Leaf fans. There's a reason why fans of other teams are cringing at these deals, and it's not just "blind Leaf hate."

And we do have a pretty good idea what they'll make after their bridge deal. In TB, Brayden Point, if he remains a star player, will get 11% of the cap--whatever that is at the time. It's the same thing all his predecessors took. That's not a bad predictor when we've seen it four times in a row, and when the player in question took a great deal this time around.
If it's not your team, why would you cringe?

Reality is non Leaf fans are overjoyed with it. It's why they were posting non-stop all summer, praying for it. All the while never saying a peep about the rest.

They spend more time hoping for Leaf failure than rooting for their own team.

Us? We'll just keep on keeping on.
 

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Yeah, and I think that's key. That this is new. Which is why I don't agree with forecasting absolute doom either. I just think it's important to acknowledge that this is only happening in Toronto, and there are risks involved. More risks than with other contracts. You really, really need the cap to go up in order to fill out the D. That said, this coming year should be a good one. But after that, I don't see how you move forward without a pretty big trade, and a trade you might not win, given that you'll be forced to make it. (Depends on how many potential trade partners you have, mind you.)

They'll have Rielly, Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren under contract, then figure out the rest. Aside from big contracts to stars, Dubas has shown to be a very deft stickhandler so far. Just keep paying the depth appropriately and keep churning it out.
 

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...He locked them up for more money than most of those guys are likely to get after their bridge is up.

Rantanen is rumored to be coming in under 10.

I'm not sure how you spin this as a win.

He also led his team in scoring. The only other RFA to do that was Aho, which Marner scored 11 more points than.
 

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He's also not as good as Marner, or locked up long-term. :)

Well, he's definitely as good, especially when you consider he's a shutdown center.

As for being locked up long-term, you're right, but for all practical purposes he is. You don't wave off offer sheets if you're intention is to leave in three years.
 

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...He locked them up for more money than most of those guys are likely to get after their bridge is up.

Rantanen is rumored to be coming in under 10.

I'm not sure how you spin this as a win.

We have all our star players signed, likely overpaid some of them. If anyone should be overpaid it should be the star players so it might not be optimal but it's close
 

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Well, he's definitely as good, especially when you consider he's a shutdown center.

As for being locked up long-term, you're right, but for all practical purposes he is. You don't wave off offer sheets if you're intention is to leave in three years.

His intention could be to stay today, doesn't mean it would be to stay in 3 years. That's the certainty of going longer term.
 
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