Proposal: Top Six Winger to Arizona (for a 2nd)

[rt]

So with that logic you're saying you can be labeled as a top 6 RW with 23 points? How many of those centers actually play wing instead (eg Stamkos, Giroux, etc.) Those numbers don't even hold up on one of the worst scoring teams in history, Detroit last year.

No. My words: "I'm looking for a guy who has 15-20g per 82/gp potential. 35-40pts /82gp kind of guy. Maybe he's 28-32 years old. Maybe a pending UFA. I'm not asking for an All-Star." Do I consider a 15-20g, 35-40pt winger a 2nd liner? Yeah. Not on a good team. But on the Coyotes? Sure. Easily.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Just retitle it "Middle 6 Winger to Arizona (for a 2nd)"

 

[rt]

Just retitle it "Middle 6 Winger to Arizona (for a 2nd)"

I think the return being a 2nd should make it obvious enough.

 

[Boondock]

I think the return being a 2nd should make it obvious enough.

This is HFboards - maybe not

 

[BStinson]

No. My words: "I'm looking for a guy who has 15-20g per 82/gp potential. 35-40pts /82gp kind of guy. Maybe he's 28-32 years old. Maybe a pending UFA. I'm not asking for an All-Star." Do I consider a 15-20g, 35-40pt winger a 2nd liner? Yeah. Not on a good team. But on the Coyotes? Sure. Easily.

Your title says another thing. The initial post was also edited and I clicked on within the first few minutes before that clarification was added or more context given. Good luck on the hunt though.

 

[rt]

Your title says another thing. The initial post was also edited and I clicked on within the first few minutes before that clarification was added or more context given.

No it doesn't. How many wingers are on a team?

 

[BStinson]

No it doesn't. How many wingers are on a team?

8

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Sharks don't have precisely what you're asking for but Evander Kane doesn't have the value that his numbers would traditionally suggest. Would you have interest in him and his contract and/or potentially pay a little more for him or no?

 

[SirloinUB]

Bobby Ryan.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I think the return being a 2nd should make it obvious enough.

A good chunk of this thread has involved debating the thread title. It's not clear.

I disagree with the implication of your point, though. A 2nd from an average-ish team like Arizona is not an unrealistic base for a rental 2nd line type skill winger (see Nyquist, Dzingel and Zuccarello at the 2019 trade deadline). Add even just a year of term and that valuation looks silly.

 

[rt]

A good chunk of this thread has involved debating the thread title. It's not clear.

I disagree with the implication of your point, though. A 2nd from an average-ish team like Arizona is not an unrealistic base for a rental 2nd line type skill winger (see Nyquist, Dzingel and Zuccarello at the 2019 trade deadline). Add even just a year of term and that valuation looks silly.

I’m literally talking about wanting an okay-ish 2nd line winger. Just like what you mentioned. I don’t care if dummies want to come in here and pretend I’m offering peanuts for the sun the stars and the moon. I’m talking Tanner Pearson for a 2nd. Lol.

If people read, they’ll understand. If not, they’ll post dumb shit. I don’t mind either way. I’d rather talk to the ones who read it. Like you.

 

[rt]

Sharks don't have precisely what you're asking for but Evander Kane doesn't have the value that his numbers would traditionally suggest. Would you have interest in him and his contract and/or potentially pay a little more for him or no?

Yeah this is tough. I just dislike him so much. Hahaha. But it would make sense. I just don’t like him. Damn.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yeah this is tough. I just dislike him so much. Hahaha. But it would make sense. I just don’t like him. Damn.

Yeah, it's hard to have any sort of valuation conversation about Kane. He is very polarizing even in the hockey world and I'm sure he is a non-starter to a lot of teams. That and he has a three team trade list so it's likely he may not even have Arizona on his list. But I know that at 7 mil, he's fine in terms of cap/point production but because of his issues, he's never going to get what anybody else with his productivity and cap hit would get even with his trade limitations. It was just an interesting thought that I was wondering if anyone from another fan base would entertain given all that Kane is.

 

[Tysonson3]

We’ll send you Haula for that second

 

[rt]

We’ll send you Haula for that second

I guess he technically meets the criteria. in his last 81 regular season games, he's got 15g 21a for 36pts. I feel like he's currently disappointing his 3rd team in a row, however. Seems like an overpayment.

 

[bernmeister]

do not have exact fit
Buch will cost more

But righty Strome can pivot/RW
term thru next yr
can settle for 2nd....

 

[Guffman]

Taylor Hall but you’ll have to up the trade compensation.

 

[rt]

Taylor Hall but you’ll have to up the trade compensation.

I'd love to bring back Hall. I'd add our 2022 2nd to the deal. We'd also have to include Raanta to make the cap work.

To BUF:
ARI 2021 2nd
ARI 2022 2nd
Jason Demers
Antti Raanta

To ARI:
Taylor Hall

 

[Tysonson3]

I guess he technically meets the criteria. in his last 81 regular season games, he's got 15g 21a for 36pts. I feel like he's currently disappointing his 3rd team in a row, however. Seems like an overpayment.

Maybe a bit of an overpayment. I think most nashville fans would take a third for him. If it’s colorados 2nd we’re looking at the 50-60 pick range. Arizona’s third probably ends up around 75 ish? We could do that

 

[Nico Hischier]

I'd love to bring back Hall. I'd add our 2022 2nd to the deal. We'd also have to include Raanta to make the cap work.

To BUF:
ARI 2021 2nd
ARI 2022 2nd
Jason Demers
Antti Raanta

To ARI:
Taylor Hall

Why do you want to give up so much for hall for the second time. He already walked as a ufa one time and is a pending ufa again

 

[drw02]

What about Robby Fabbri? Not just a rental and Armstrong would know him from St. Louis. He's been decent in Detroit but part of me feels like Yzerman isn't really planning on him being around long term

 

[DesertPenguin]

35 points is a top-6 winger? Ok, Johansson for a 2nd.

You clearly haven't watched the Coyotes much. Nick Schmaltz was their leading point scorer last year with 45.

 

[ljb4]

The Avalanche would be interested in recouping a second round pick. Would Compher or Donskoi be of interest to you for Demurs and the Columbus 2nd?

Compher: 18/19 - 16G + 16A in 66 Games and 19/20 - 11G + 20A in 67 Games, 2 more years @ $3.5M

Donskoi: 18/19 - 14G + 23A in 80 Games and 19/20 - 16G + 17A in 65 Games, 2 more years @ $3.9M

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Let's just agree to take back the Stepan trade and we'll give you Dzingel as a bonus. He checks off a lot of boxes in the OP.

 

[Fjordy]

Tage Thompson for Fischer

It's probably not exactly what you wanted, but maybe both guys need a change of scenery.