dw2927 said:
Yeah, a bigger, more atheltic Hextall seems to be his ceiling. He's still too aggressive though. If he's like that in the AHL just imagine what NHL super pests could do.....
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Yeah, a bigger, more atheltic Hextall seems to be his ceiling. He's still too aggressive though. If he's like that in the AHL just imagine what NHL super pests could do.....
dw2927 said:
Interesting. I like auld too, but i feel like his ceiling isn't very high. He should be on my list though.
Dubielewicz had one great season in the AHL and has been horrid this season.
Leighton is good, but too high compared to other people.
Dannis is having outstanding season on a HORRID hamilton season.
Bruckler?
As for emery being the next hextall? No i don't think so. He'll be a great gritty butterfly, but what made hextall special was his puckhandling. Emery isn't anything like that. Emery will be a cloutier, without the mental and playoff troubles.
dw2927 said:
Yeah, more atheltic Hextall seems to be his ceiling. He's still too aggressive though. Intensity is what makes him so successful but he's gotta stop the constant fighting. If he's like that in the AHL just imagine what NHL super pests could do.....
My List:
1. Lehtonen
2. Fleury
3. Toivenen
4. Bryzgalov (underrated IMO)
5. Emery (probably bias)
6. Niittymaki
7. Leclaire
8. Lundquivist
9. Oulett
10. Miller
11. Ahonen
12. Lenevu
13. Schwarz
14. Montoya
15. Ward
^I think emery will calm down. I mean clouts went through a similar thing where he literally fought everybody. So i think Emery can do the same.
Anyways, nice list...similar to mine...
Anyways, nice list...similar to mine...
Harding should be in the top 15. Most people say the best goalies come out of the QMJHL, and I'll agree. But Harding has seen as many or even more shots per season as JDD, who is always ranked ahead of him. Harding also has taken over (or did) the top slot for Houston, while JDD is a backup. That boggles the mind. Harding will be a fan favorite for sure, not a huge star in the NHL but I like that he goes under the radar now because he'll surprise people. He has seen success every place he has gone (not material success but playing success) and should slide right into the NHL well.
DoobieDoobieDo said:
Harding is rated behind JDD to me, because he doesn't seem as talented, also he plays on a team where he was the only real legitamte goalie. JDD played behind vet AHL goalie tyler moss. However, you are correct in that Harding's season has been better than JDD. We'll see down the road.
I don't really care where the goalie comes from, but I think JDD's talent is whats putting him over harding in most people's books. Also add in harding's recent injury, which raises a big question mark.
I think that Harding and Ward will be good, but there seems to be something about WHL goalies...or maybe something about the WHL. It seems like the league just does not produce star goalies...
that is not to say that solid NHL guys don't come out of the WHL, it just seems that some of the talent that would've gone to the WHL went the US college route (Belfour)..
When I think of WHL grads in the NHL I guess guys like Osgood and Kidd come to mind..obviously starters and pretty good at times, but never really stars..not that Ward or Harding can be judged by the production of past WHL goalies either..
--The earlier point about Emery is well taken...after his first encounter with Mr. Ville Nieminen, one or both of them may be in jail
It just seems like there has been some recent hand-wringing about toughness and grit in Ottawa, espcially vis-a-vis the Leafs and having a guy like Emery, if he stays reasonably sane, would give the team some attitude...plus he would seem to have an unobstructed path to the top job if he wants it.
So much of what a prospect can become is judged by who is in front of him... Guys like Bryzgalov and Ahonen can attest to that. I guess it could be said that cream does rise to the top, but if you can't get a trade, you might never get that break.
that is not to say that solid NHL guys don't come out of the WHL, it just seems that some of the talent that would've gone to the WHL went the US college route (Belfour)..
When I think of WHL grads in the NHL I guess guys like Osgood and Kidd come to mind..obviously starters and pretty good at times, but never really stars..not that Ward or Harding can be judged by the production of past WHL goalies either..
--The earlier point about Emery is well taken...after his first encounter with Mr. Ville Nieminen, one or both of them may be in jail
It just seems like there has been some recent hand-wringing about toughness and grit in Ottawa, espcially vis-a-vis the Leafs and having a guy like Emery, if he stays reasonably sane, would give the team some attitude...plus he would seem to have an unobstructed path to the top job if he wants it.
So much of what a prospect can become is judged by who is in front of him... Guys like Bryzgalov and Ahonen can attest to that. I guess it could be said that cream does rise to the top, but if you can't get a trade, you might never get that break.
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sjb3599 said:
:lol
Ok, now, serious. I'd say Russia is stronger, but it's a matter of opinion.
To me it looks more like my fellow Finn Fredrik Norrena is dominating the league. Considering he's on top of both GAA and SVS% lists. My other fellow Finn Miikka Kiprusoff doesn't seem to be that far behind either.
1. Fredrik Norrena GP 32, GAA 1.83, SVS% 93.39, 3 SO
2. Henrik Lundqvist GP 29, GAA 1.91, SVS% 93.03, 4 SO
3. Miikka Kiprusoff GP 29, GAA 2.00, SVS% 91.84, 3 SO
Lundqvist is doing very well for himself, but lets face it, it's not like he's doing something absolutely mindblowing.
Diaboli said:
So his previous years when he was the best goalie in the swedish league is nothing? Come on now.
dw2927 said:I think that Harding and Ward will be good, but there seems to be something about WHL goalies...or maybe something about the WHL. It seems like the league just does not produce star goalies...
that is not to say that solid NHL guys don't come out of the WHL, it just seems that some of the talent that would've gone to the WHL went the US college route (Belfour)..
When I think of WHL grads in the NHL I guess guys like Osgood and Kidd come to mind..obviously starters and pretty good at times, but never really stars..not that Ward or Harding can be judged by the production of past WHL goalies either..
--The earlier point about Emery is well taken...after his first encounter with Mr. Ville Nieminen, one or both of them may be in jail
It just seems like there has been some recent hand-wringing about toughness and grit in Ottawa, espcially vis-a-vis the Leafs and having a guy like Emery, if he stays reasonably sane, would give the team some attitude...plus he would seem to have an unobstructed path to the top job if he wants it.
So much of what a prospect can become is judged by who is in front of him... Guys like Bryzgalov and Ahonen can attest to that. I guess it could be said that cream does rise to the top, but if you can't get a trade, you might never get that break.
Personally I think your weighing WAY TOO MUCH on where the goalies are coming from.
I feel sorry for Ari Ahonen
Here was his defense last game:
Phil Cole
Steve Spencer
Ray Shultze (sp)
Alex Brooks
Krisjanis Redlihs
Luckily, the real Rats defense should be on the way back soon. Hale, Allen, Kesa, and DeMarchi should be back in a few weeks. Then we'll see what Ahonen can do.
Here was his defense last game:
Phil Cole
Steve Spencer
Ray Shultze (sp)
Alex Brooks
Krisjanis Redlihs
Luckily, the real Rats defense should be on the way back soon. Hale, Allen, Kesa, and DeMarchi should be back in a few weeks. Then we'll see what Ahonen can do.
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bruins4777 said:
I didn't say that now did I?
But in all fairness, Norrena was the best goalie in the league last year too. In fairness to Lundqvist I also have to say, that in 2002-2003 he totally owned the league, so it's not like I'm putting him down. I myself see Lundqvist closer to #7 than #4, but it's all a matter of opinion.
The smiley was justified though IMO, you did point at it mostly, right?
isn't norrena like 10 years older than lundqvist?
i remember looking at the goalie stats for the SEL last year and lundqvist was second in the league behind some guy in his 30's, was that norrena? i don't remember the name
i remember looking at the goalie stats for the SEL last year and lundqvist was second in the league behind some guy in his 30's, was that norrena? i don't remember the name
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bruins4777 said:
Love the list. And it is a great post - because you have done more then look at stats.... It is good to hear from people who see the players play the game and can comment from 1st hand experience.
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bruins4777 said:
Maxime Ouellet over Niittymaki? your kidding right? Ouellet is no longer a top prospect. his stock in my view has dropped dramiticly. he used to be able to carry teams on his back. now hes getting lit up on a nightly basis in the AHL.
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Hasn't been brought up in this thread (can't say I'm surprised), but he absolutely deserves at least a mention. So underrated and unknown it's not even funny.
Actually that's incorrect. If Minnesota didn't think Harding was good enough, they would have brought in another goaltender or they might have let Smith try to play it out. They have a ton of confidence with Harding, which shows. They also are a pretty young team that runs hot or cold.
I usually don't like saying who is better, because we really don't know. Scouts are paid to watch these guys and coaches are paid to see how they develop. For some reason, the WJC coach for Canada, liked Harding over JDD.
I also don't mind that people think Harding isn't a top 15 goaltender. He'll be the steady tender between the pipes for a while for Minnesota.
I usually don't like saying who is better, because we really don't know. Scouts are paid to watch these guys and coaches are paid to see how they develop. For some reason, the WJC coach for Canada, liked Harding over JDD.
I also don't mind that people think Harding isn't a top 15 goaltender. He'll be the steady tender between the pipes for a while for Minnesota.
bruins4777 said:
seeing as you follow the AHL, what is your take on Krahn? has he re-established himself as a legit prospect? (I'm not saying he deserves to be on your list, moreso just wondering where you would slot him)
looooob said:
He's not on my coast...AHL is like in football and baseball, they don't all play each other. I see mostly east coast. I talked to some other guys on this form and they're basicaly calling eddie belfour comparisons so that sounds good. I think i'd like to see more consistency and how he does in the playoffs.
Maybe if you read more. You would have seen that i said 4-10 are interchangeable. However oulett no longer a top prospect? Come on now. Niity is great, but oulett is long established in the AHL he has never been given a jump to the NHL because of iron man olaf kolzig, a incredible goalie who won't go anywhere unless traded for at least 5 more years.ClarkeMustGoDotCom said:
"rethink ur list... danis is better then half these guys..."
Dannis had a great college career and is playing great for ONE SEASON in the AHL. If he shows me more and keeps up this type of play for a while I'll believe what you say.
"Hasn't been brought up in this thread (can't say I'm surprised), but he absolutely deserves at least a mention. So underrated and unknown it's not even funny."
Just wondering, but who is that?
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Vicious Vic said:
Why? Been talking to Handsome B. Wonderful on the other thread a bit about him. Why does he even deserve a mention? He hasn't really done a lot in mens league...
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