Top GM Replacements

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  1. Patch101

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    I hope not, the man sits on his hands too much, and I swear nearly all his deals where to trade for picks.
    That team hasn't drafted all that well in the last 5 years either.
    I'm not a fan of Hextall myself :)
    Bleh...
     
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    We need a bit of sitting right now and good drafting. Less chance of bad trades lol
     
  3. Patch101

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    The flyers haven't drafted well in the last 5 years tho .....

    edit: ok, maybe its to early to make that statement. On second thought, not a thoughtful
    response. To early to tell.
     
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    I think they've made really good value picks with their 1st/2nd round picks the last few years myself.
     
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    Except that they have?
     
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    But they have?

    Hart,Provorov, Frost, Ratcliffe, Farabee, Marody all drafted in the last 5 years off the top of my head.
     
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    I would rather have someone who can identify talent playing lower in the lines, farm, college, Russia, etc
    and be active in trying to acquire players like that on the cheap (much like pc got Drake, benning, and Kosko for nothing)

    Someone who can identify and continue to improve the amateur (and grow the pro) side of the oilers,
    do and have the freedom to audit the scouts, and other management in the organization.

    That's why I feel strongly about Kelly (of the current choices) who was involved in finding guys that could be helpful not only on the bottom 6, but also on the top 6 in today's nhl.
    He has recent success on his side. He's worked as a coach/gm on the amateur side so I'm sure he has knowledge there too.

    Its hard to know what anyone is with other facets of the management so in bob we must trust for the rest.
    I'm also not a fan of X-players who try to work in management directly from the nhl.... not as a gm anyways.
     
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    Farabee/Frost/Marody/Rafcliffe havn't proven anything yet at the nhl level.

    Provorov, Patrick (duh pick), Konecny + Hart yes.
     
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    Okay and in the last 5 years we have...Nurse, McDavid and Draisaitl. And no **** the other guys haven't proven anything yet they were drafted recently. They were good picks though
     
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    Jones, Bear, Jesse Yama, and Bouchard have all shown that they can play at the high level ahl and some sparks at the nhl level, but anyways I'm not going to argue that the drafting and development are garbage. Its one of my biggest complaints (along with rushing prospects)

    I just don't see Hextall doing anything other than sit on his hands and let Keith run the amateur side because I can't see him having higher experience or knowledge of how to improve that side of hockey, and his trade history suggests that he doesn't know how to evaluate talent. He usually traded players for picks the whole time he was there.

    He just plays way to safe, and never helped to move the dial for the Flyers. That's why he got booted.
     
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    Today, in Mcdavids 4th season in the NHL, his line mates were Lucic and Rattie. This has happened on Bobby Nicks watch. He should not have any say on who our next GM is. He seems like a good guy, but I really feel he should resign.
     
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    I'd take too safe over losing every trade any day.

    Most of Philly's guys are being developed properly so they haven't seen any NHL time yet.
     
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    Well, no question PC was ultra terrible at it, but that doesn't mean over-reacting to someone who is safe and never does anything.

    We can't count on free agency to add players reliably to so we need to have someone who can find players and continue to improve how we find/draft/and develop guys.
    Buy low or find some talented college kids, Russians ... whatever it is. Gatta be creative and push all the buttons.

    We don't need guys trading 3rd's/young players for nearly 30 year old barely bottom pairing guys.
     
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    I know it was dumb to think, but I was really hoping we'd have a gm in place by the trade deadline. Just to give them a chance to get comfortable and open some communication pathways for the summer with other gms.

    Apparently they're yet to even interview anyone though .. so I guess they aren't currently looking?
     
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    A lot of guys they probably want to look like are currently working for other teams as assistants. Getting a new gm won't happen till the season is over.
     
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    I think you can absolutely count on there not being a GM in place until after May. If there is then its a fail.
     
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    Yeah, I guess there aren't many mid season GM replacements happening, so I'm unsure of how the hiring process really works.
     
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    Say someone wanted to interview a current assistant GM for the GM job. Their current team has to give permission for them to even talk to them.

    Alot of assistants don't feel comfortable leaving because it's awkward and they want to finish out the season and see if what they had a hand in goes the distance that year.
     
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    Even if a GM was to give permission (which would likely never happen) the optics around an AGM leaving his team in mid season would be absolutely brutal. That IMO would impact his credibility as a GM before he even started.
     
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    What?

    Teams are given in-season permission to interview executives from other teams all of the time. This year alone, Philadelphia interviewed a division rivals assistant GM before hiring another division rivals senior adviser.

    There's no optics issue. People understand that there are only 31 GM jobs in the league and that's not an opportunity a candidate can just brush off most of the time.
     
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    Take your pick,McDavid would be worth it.
    Mathew and Gardner.Eg.
     
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    Absolutely. Booby Nicks has to make it it appear as if he is leaving no stone unturned before he goes with the only choice he’s always wanted and hires MacT.:D
     
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    What?
    Their drafting is top 3 in the NHL. Last 2 years they were voted #1 prospect pool by several reputable sites.

    Ghost, Konecny,Provy, Hart, Lindblom, Frost, Sanheim, Myers, Patrick, etc, etc

    Hextalls drafting has been impeccable
     
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    Fair enough.
    GM's are almost always fired at the end of the season so hiring mid seasons isnt very common.
    I cant think of 1 mid season hiring that involved taking an Assistant GM from another team.
     
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    Of all the things Nicholson said during his press conference, one of the few that was actually believable was when he said he wasn’t in any hurry to hire the new GM. You can debate what his exact reason is but the one certainty here is that the guy won’t be hired before the trade deadline. You’re right that if he did it would be a fail. He needs to wait until the season ends to talk to as many candidates as possible. Even if he has his guy in mind already. If for no other reason than to get the optics right.
     
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