Proposal: Top 6 RW to the Habs

[Fig]

That's only an issue if cap is needed, which it isn't

We are running on a shortened bench, are we not? The deal wouldn’t necessarily have to be consummated right away, but at least have it in the back pocket.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

We are running on a shortened bench, are we not? The deal wouldn’t necessarily have to be consummated right away, but at least have it in the back pocket.

Valimaki's cap hit is the only reason we aren't running a 23 man squad, 22 is manageable

 

[bernmeister]

Juulsen isn't a cap dump, he's not even in the NHL. He's also not going to be on LTIR.

Strome is of negative value in any form.

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Montreal's not giving up Firsts for Buchnevich, they'd want a right shot.

Scrap the entire proposal.

speaking only to the highlighted for the moment...

this^

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As for the topic of the thread, the issue with Montreal right now is the same that it was three months ago. Center and Left D. Domi is not a center. He will never be a legitimate center. Anyone who knows how the game of hockey is played and can look beyond his point totals also knows that because your ability to play a particular position has nothing to do with your offensive totals.

Montreal needs a veteran center who can still play 16-18 minutes in order to move Domi to the wing and continue to let Kotkaniemi and the other young centers (Poehling and Evans) develop with slightly lesser playing minutes/roles. One of the guys I really wanted at the deadline last year was Staal but he wasn't moved and now re-signed but think that type of player.

… is in conflict with this^.

So, @CaptainMountain , your best Ms. DeVito [from My Cousin Vinny] "Are you sure?.".

 

[bernmeister]

Is this trolling?

no, it obviously is not, nor sure it be viewed as such, ...

How about something real.
We'll give you Weal,Lehkonen ,Reilly and a 3rd rd draft pick in exchange for Zibanejad ,DeAngelo and your 1st.
You'll gain the needed cap space and we'll take that #3 C off your hands.

… value on my prop, unlike the above, was realistic. You may not want to pay to obtain the help you need, which is fine, but that is dif.

we're giving up 2 1sts for Buchnevich and Strome???????

classic bern post

classic misrepresentation.
it was two 1sts for two 2nds , the picks any two of the next six years, at Montreal's choice for immediate help.

Buchnevich is worth a 1st.
Strome is worth a 2nd [recent possible comparable of Grabner got 2nd + a highly regarded prospect]

The one body taken back, currently not on MON varsity squad, has been solid when healthy, but that is an ongoing issue, and injury to the head and esp eyes are never good. Never. Given current starting pt he is ongoing risk, the bet is vs him long term. Tragic for Juulsen, but that is telling it like it is.

THIS is fact.
You guys implying it was two immediate firsts this year with no offsetting factors is misrepresentative.

 

[Hockey Stick]

They're not competing for a cup this year so there's no reason to move one, maybe two, of your top prospects just to fill a hole (that isn't even that dire). Especially after only a few gamea

 

[Kupo]

no, it obviously is not, nor sure it be viewed as such, ...



… value on my prop, unlike the above, was realistic. You may not want to pay to obtain the help you need, which is fine, but that is dif.




classic misrepresentation.
it was two 1sts for two 2nds , the picks any two of the next six years, at Montreal's choice for immediate help.

Buchnevich is worth a 1st.
Strome is worth a 2nd [recent possible comparable of Grabner got 2nd + a highly regarded prospect]

The one body taken back, currently not on MON varsity squad, has been solid when healthy, but that is an ongoing issue, and injury to the head and esp eyes are never good. Never. Given current starting pt he is ongoing risk, the bet is vs him long term. Tragic for Juulsen, but that is telling it like it is.

THIS is fact.
You guys implying it was two immediate firsts this year with no offsetting factors is misrepresentative.

It’s not fact.

It’s nonsense, just like every other proposal you discharge when hijacking threads.

Strome is not worth a 2nd. Comparing his value to what Grabner got 2 years ago is asinine.

 

[Captain Mountain]

speaking only to the highlighted for the moment...

this^



… is in conflict with this^.

So, @CaptainMountain , your best Ms. DeVito [from My Cousin Vinny] "Are you sure?.".

Yes. For one, Domi can play center. He did it last year and is doing it this year. Any argument that he can't is asinine. Habs fans, coaches and management KNOW what a winger that can't play center looks like. They have enough failed experiments over the past 5 seasons to provide clear examples. For another, Montreal doesn't have room to move him to the wing for Domi.

Finally, even if Montreal did need a 16-18 minute center (and they don't really), Strome has never been and will never be a 16-18 minute center. He is, at best, a 15ish minute center, and he probably shouldn't be playing that much on a team that has playoff aspirations.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Unless this player fits our young core, why are the Habs looking for a top 6RW to help reinforce us staying in the middle of the pack in the next two seasons? Makes no sense.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Habs probably just wait it out with Cole Caulfield likely ready in April.

 

[JackFr]

If you guys just want a cheap fill-in until Caufield is ready, do you have any interest in Dominik Kahun? 46 points last year in Chicago's top 6, has played poorly in Pittsburgh but has been played in more of a shut-down role. His spot on the roster when everyone comes back from injury is in question but he's young and has shown he's suited for a top 6 spot.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If you guys just want a cheap fill-in until Caufield is ready, do you have any interest in Dominik Kahun? 46 points last year in Chicago's top 6, has played poorly in Pittsburgh but has been played in more of a shut-down role. His spot on the roster when everyone comes back from injury is in question but he's young and has shown he's suited for a top 6 spot.

Nah... at this stage the Habs are after big pieces. We don't need more 40-50 pt players.

 

[JackFr]

Buchnevich is worth a 1st.

Yeah sure

Strome is worth a 2nd

uh

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Let’s take more time there, Joel Armia is also a PPG player so far...

this is fair i can wait

 

[ole ole]

no, it obviously is not, nor sure it be viewed as such, ...



… value on my prop, unlike the above, was realistic. You may not want to pay to obtain the help you need, which is fine, but that is dif.



.

Your offer, as usually ,was pure crap for the Habs..

 

[ole ole]

Is this trolling?

Of course it is and at his best i might add.

 

[ole ole]

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Buchnevich is worth a 1st.
.

Ya ,NO...Your 24 yr old 40 pt player isn't worth a 1st.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Of course it is and at his best i might add.

Or he could be 12 years old and clueless?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Buchnevich 3.25 x 2
Strome 3.1 expiring at half = 1.55
subtotal = 4.8 cap hit
+ first two available Ranger 2nds = 2021 + 2022 2nds

for

cap dump Juulsen = 863,333 expiring
making cap hit to MON, cap savings to Rangers just over 3.9
plus
two Canadiens 1sts any of 2020-2025, MON choice of years

Gives MON targeted help at commensurate price [better would cost more], and Les Habs can afford the cap.

Allows Rangers to trim to real core, allows Kravtsov and Chytil to return to roster and mo ice time for Andersson, Howden, etc.

Rangers have to expect w/injuries Juulsen likely to wind up on LTIR but may extend him on min deal 2 way just to have bodies for exp draft.

Strome would be our 4th line C at best. He’s a former capdump with no value to the Habs. He wouldn’t play ahead of Danault, Domi or KK and we have Suzuki/Poehling on deck.

Calling Juulsen a capdump confirms you lack an understanding of what a capdump is. See Marc Staal as the definition of capdump.

Buchnevich might be worth a late first or a early 2nd + 3rd.

There is no scenario where the Habs sacrifice 2 x 1sts and Juulsen to get back Buchnevich, a 4th line C and two seconds.

Counter proposal:

Kakko to Habs for 6 x 2nd round picks + Juulsen (50% retention)

 

[Price4Prez]

Strome would be our 4th line C at best. He’s a former capdump with no value to the Habs. He wouldn’t play ahead of Danault, Domi or KK and we have Suzuki/Poehling on deck.

Calling Juulsen a capdump confirms you lack an understanding of what a capdump is. See Marc Staal as the definition of capdump.

Buchnevich might be worth a late first or a early 2nd + 3rd.

There is no scenario where the Habs sacrifice 2 x 1sts and Juulsen to get back Buchnevich, a 4th line C and two seconds.

Counter proposal:

Kakko to Habs for 6 x 2nd round picks + Juulsen (50% retention)

Am i the only one who would rather have the 6 2nd round picks?

 

[TrapGod Jr]

Daniel Sprong for 3rd & 5th or...Jacob Olofsson

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I feel like the Habs are the last team that should be looking for a top 6 RW. Unless they really expect Price and Weber to fall off a cliff soon there is no reason to rush, they should be just fine on RW with Suzuki and Caufield coming up. They will likely extend Gallagher long term too

 

[Canadienna]

Buchnevich 3.25 x 2
Strome 3.1 expiring at half = 1.55
subtotal = 4.8 cap hit
+ first two available Ranger 2nds = 2021 + 2022 2nds

for

cap dump Juulsen = 863,333 expiring
making cap hit to MON, cap savings to Rangers just over 3.9
plus
two Canadiens 1sts any of 2020-2025, MON choice of years

Gives MON targeted help at commensurate price [better would cost more], and Les Habs can afford the cap.

Allows Rangers to trim to real core, allows Kravtsov and Chytil to return to roster and mo ice time for Andersson, Howden, etc.

Rangers have to expect w/injuries Juulsen likely to wind up on LTIR but may extend him on min deal 2 way just to have bodies for exp draft.

I'm not remotely interested as a Habs fan.

Juulsen
1st 2020
1st 2021

for

Buchnevich
Ryan Strome
2nd 2021
2nd 2022

???

You could get rid of the picks entirely and I'm not moving Juulsen for those two. In all likelihood they wouldn't even make the team.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

Hey everybody!

The Habs are surrently roling with this line-up:

Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Lehkonen - Domi - Weal
Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Armia
Byron - Thompson - Suzuki

Weal is such a sore spot on that line-up.

I would do this in this situation:

Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Lehkonen - Domi - Armia
Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Suzuki
Byron - Thompson - Weal

But in a perfect world we would acquire a legit top 6 RW.

Which RW are available or possibly available and what would the price be?

An example: And it's just an example so don't go bat%$%? on me.

Ehlers for Suzuki + Juulsen/Brook + 2nd rounder

What do the fan bases think?

Which top 6 RW would you trade for or trade to us and for what?

Cheers!

Habs have cole Caufield at the end of the college season. Suzuki is developing. Definitely no need to add a right winger

 

[Goal Caufield50]

Top six RW? Caulfield could be here soon.

Agreed Ames no sense to add with other needd

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Habs have cole Caufield at the end of the college season. Suzuki is developing. Definitely no need to add a right winger

We need a stable RW1 or RW2 right now, not at the end of the season.

And as good as Cole has been so far, he is not a sure thing to be great at the NHL level from the get go.

Suzuki is strugling and already relegated to 4th line duties.

RW2 has been musical chairs so far this season.

I would rather have a stable RW2 in the line-up sooner rather than later to stabilize that 2nd trio and the overall offense.

If Caufield does come over at the end of the season and plays well than all the better, we have more depth.

We can't go all year with a rotating set of wingers on the Domi line. That is not a recipy for success.

Obviously I would prefer a 1/2 LD, however top D is much harder to acquire than top RW's.

If you can get both, even better!

We can't hope to be in a play-off position with 5 games left in the season and have 18 year old Cole Caufield as the answer to success.

Come on now! That's how one loses their job.