Captain Leaf said:.Barber ..i dont know about you but when i think of Barber i think of diving ..heck i remember Leach scoring most of those big goals during the Flyers glory years .
Malefic74 said:Roy and Barrasso should get the nods.
Gilmour waits a year.
Richter and Housley.... sorry, no.
God Bless Canada said:Richter had no Vezinas or all-star selections. Had some great years, but some downright mediocre years. Not enough great years to get in. His best save percentage after 1997 was .910, below average in this era. Yes, he played behind some stinker teams, but other goalies behind stinker teams put up better save percentages. If Richter gets in, so should Bill Ranford. (And I've got the proof to back this up).
Lard_Lad said:Brooks kinda falls into the Henderson category, though - a long "pretty good" career with one great achievement.
Can't see Hlinka ever making it, mostly for the same reason. Maybe as a player, if the HoF ever starts taking European careers seriously.
I hate Doug Gilmour with a passion, but even I admit he deserves to be in the Hall. Richter? Well, Giacomin`s in the Hall, and Richter broke all his Ranger records plus won a Stanley Cup which Giacomin never did. Add in that he was THE reason the U.S. won the `96 World Cup and maybe the best goalie ever on breakaways and you have a first-ballot lock.
Chili said:"one great achievement"
I think you need to review their achievements as coaches. NCAA and world titles are certainly great achievements to me and they have several.
They are both legends in their home countries (and not for one achievement), devoted their lives to the game and inspired countless people in the sport.
Captain Leaf said:You are correct , thats why Herb will be in the USA Hockey hall of fame ..not the Hockey hall of fame .
Darth Milbury said:Another point: Do you guys think that players that excelled in the old WHA (Mark Tardiff, Real Cloutier, Hedberg and Nilson) should get more attention?
Big Phil said:As for Mike Richter? What are you people sniffing? Glue? I dont think he should get in at all. Yes he had 301 wins, but he also lost a lot of games too. 258 to be exact. He only had 6 seasons with a winning record, the other eight seasons he had a losing record and he was on some pretty talented but underacheiving teams. I dont' think you should get into the Hall with just one great season ('94). Add the fact that his only other "decent seasons' were '96 and '97 and to me that is not Hall worthy. Yes he won the Cup in '94 and he played brilliantly in the '96 World Cup but he also has no Vezinas or first or second all-star team selections, that matters a lot.
Malefic74 said:I agree. Barrasso had a better career, as did Andy Moog. Both should get in before Richter. More Cups, more wins, better numbers and better careers.
Barrasso had 369 wins and was the first American born goalie to reach 300. He has a Calder, a Vezina and a Jennings, played well for the Team USA when called (84 Canada Cup) and has two Stanley Cups to Richter's one.
Moog has 372 wins, has had 10 20 win seasons, has three Cups and backstopped the Bruins to two more finals appearances. He was named to the All-Star team twice as an Oiler, once as a Bruin and again as a Star. He's played for Canada's National Team and was undefeated in the '88 Olympics.
Richter can't simply be compared to Giacomin because the eras are so different. Against two peers whose careers are in the same era, he is a distant third.
Big Phil said:This is my list of the top 5 players who arent in the Hall of Fame in the order of most deserving. Oh and by the way, surprise, surprise Neely isnt the 1st!
In order of most deserving:
#1 Rogie Vachon - I have no idea why he inst in the Hall. This may raise a few eyebrows as to him being #1 but think about it. He won the Vezina Trophy in '68, was second team all-star twice, in '75 and '77 and to top it off he had 355 wins. In comparison Terry Sawchuk had 447. He also won three Cups. Plus he played on some mediocre Kings teams and still put up good numbers. And who was in stellar in net for every game for Canada in the '76 Canada Cup? Vachon.
#2 Glenn Anderson - What more does the guy have to do? 6 playoff overtime goals? A known clutch goal scorer. 6 Cups. 498 goals. Scored 50 twice in his career. Had 100 points three times in his career. No all-star selections at Right Wing but that was more because Bossy and Kurri were there. I say put him in there no question.
#3 Rick Middleton - 5 straight years of 90 points or more, another season with 86. Scored 50 goals once, 100 points twice. Good playoff numbers. To me he's above Neely as to a guy who has to be in there. No Cups, but he played in his share of Cup finals.
#4 Cam Neely - Okay everyone stop screaming, this is why he isnt above the rest of them. Look I love Neely, very good player. And if he was in the Hall I wouldnt make a fuss, but what bothers me is the people that are willing to die just to see him in there. Why? He had 4, count them, 4 good seasons in his career. that was '88, '90, '91 and '94. Everything else is nothing to write home about. He had four second team all-star selections all in those years. That's good but is it great? I feel bad that his career was cut short, but if a guy loses his career to injuries do we put him in just because of that? If so why dont we put Geoff Courtnall in? If he gets in its not a big deal, but to all you Homers out there, face it, there are better guys than him not in there.
#5 John Tonelli - He won four Cups fo the Isles, and was the MVP of the Canada Cup in '84. He played two way Hockey very well and was twice named second all-star team. Put up 100 points once and 93 another time. My feeling is that if Clark Gilles got in there ahead of him then Tonelli should be in there. To me he was a better player.
That's it. That is my top 5. Deabte over it all you want and make up your own list.
HM goes to other guys - Dino Ciccarelli, Rick Martin, Dave Taylor, Pete Mahovolich.
Ogopogo said:Why do you say that players cannot be compared when they are from different eras? I believe that they can.
moneyp said:Yeah, but he's using common sense. Your using the Ogopogo Award Number-Crunching System.
Re That hockey digest article: I have to admit, I didn't know Reay wasn't in the Hall. He should be. Great coach.