Proposal: Top 4 LD to Flames

[OtherThingsILike]

As a Pens fan I like the deal in general but the Pens would have to move additional money to get under the cap. Probably Zucker.

And it would have to be a different 2nd round pick for the Penguins, the 2022 2nd is involved in the Carter deal.

No it isn't. The 2022 2nd is the Penguins', because the condition to potentially upgrade the 2022 3rd to a 2nd wasn't met.

 

[StephenPeat]

Flames: Kuznetsov + Dumoulin

Pens: Gaudreau

Caps: Flames 2022 2nd and Pens 2022 2nd


Flames have the cap space, they get a top 6 center and top 4 LD. Pens get a top 6 upgrade. Caps get a bunch of cap space and 2 picks

That’s a giant f*** No from the Caps. Those picks are basically worthless to Wsh. Kuznetsov IS our 2C we aren’t trading him for ?????

 

[blankall]

Hanifin, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey, and Kylington all on the left side. Why do we need a left D? We need a right D if anything

The Flames don't need a LD. Literally the only thing that could help them is an upgrade to the top 6, and it will take a pretty good forward to do that, as the top 6 right now has Coleman, Backlund, Mangiapane, and Monahan all fighting for spots on the second line.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Dumoulin + Poulin for Johnny Hockey?

Who plays D for the Pens?

 

[IGGY2JOHNNY]

Hanifin, Zadorov, Valimaki, Mackey, and Kylington all on the left side. Why do we need a left D? We need a right D if anything

because Valimaki/Zadorov/Mackey can all play their offside and if we are trying to be competitive, we are probably best suited having those guys on the 3rd pairing. I think Zadorov can be a good #5 and PK specialist but I wouldn’t want to rely on him in the top 4. I’m looking at our depth chart like this right now:

Hanifin,Tanev
?,Andersson
Valimaki/Mackey,Zadorov

No Kylington because I don’t see him returning. For his sake I hope we find him a new home because I don’t think Treliving/Sutter will ever give him a chance

 

[DJJones]

because Valimaki/Zadorov/Mackey can all play their offside and if we are trying to be competitive, we are probably best suited having those guys on the 3rd pairing. I think Zadorov can be a good #5 and PK specialist but I wouldn’t want to rely on him in the top 4. I’m looking at our depth chart like this right now:

Hanifin,Tanev
?,Andersson
Valimaki/Mackey,Zadorov

No Kylington because I don’t see him returning. For his sake I hope we find him a new home because I don’t think Treliving/Sutter will ever give him a chance

Pass

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

because Valimaki/Zadorov/Mackey can all play their offside and if we are trying to be competitive, we are probably best suited having those guys on the 3rd pairing. I think Zadorov can be a good #5 and PK specialist but I wouldn’t want to rely on him in the top 4. I’m looking at our depth chart like this right now:

Hanifin,Tanev
?,Andersson
Valimaki/Mackey,Zadorov

No Kylington because I don’t see him returning. For his sake I hope we find him a new home because I don’t think Treliving/Sutter will ever give him a chance

Zadorov can play top 4, ideally Valimaki plays there but Z is fine, especially with Tanev anchoring whoever he is paired with

 

[TobanWest]

Grezlyk, Debrusk, 2023 2nd
For Monahan

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Grezlyk, Debrusk, 2023 2nd
For Monahan

You realize Boston's LD depth is already extremely questionable with Grze there right? I get that they need a 2C but I have a lot of trouble seeing them move Grze to do it. Flames aren't moving Monahan without a center upgrade coming back anyways.

(disclaimer* Calgary also doesn't need any LD anyways, OP probably just didnt watch how much Hanifin improved last year.)

 

[biturbo19]

The Flames aren't acquiring a top 4. Zadarov will be getting #4/5 minutes with Valimaki switching in and out. If the other prospects like kylington suck, then the Flames will acquire a depth dman.

Yeah. I really don’t see the need for Calgary to go out and spend what it takes to bring in a real upgrade at LD. The depth there obviously isn’t perfect, but it’s not so bad either, pending what you get out of Valimaki/Zadorov. But with Valimaki, at some point you’ve gotta give him a bit of a chance to push his way into the top-4 and prove he can handle it. Zadorov is the sort of piece you can use to do that, without really “blocking” him. Zadorov is really that classic #4/5 “tweener”. He’s not a guy you ideally want in a rock solid contending Top-4...but he’s capable of more than bottom pairing minutes.

Between those two, I think you’ve mostly covered off whatever minutes Hanifin-Tanev don’t play. Between a pair of sorta #4/5 tweeners.

It’s not awe inspiring or anything, but it seems at least serviceable. With the potential to be a lot more than that, if Valimaki comes back healthy and strong.

Pretty much everyone in that division is playing with at least one wonky wheel, or some sort of timeshare/depth rotation somewhere in there Top-4D anyway.

 

[Ainsy01]

Flames fans are going to be surprised that Giordano's absence will not make a difference. He was so slow, old and washed up. A young big kid like Zadorov with fresh legs will look much better than Giordano. Their defence still isn't that impressive, but there's 5-6 quality NHLers on that defence core. Tanev and Andersson is a nice right side.

I think it will be obvious from the first shirt. He was the heart and soul of the team, and the hardest worker on and off the ice. On a team that was described as "rudderless" they are now missing a large chunk of sail as well, so to speak. They lack secondary leadership in the heart and soul category. Hopefully Backlund can step up, when hes angry hes good. Tanev can step into a leadership role and I think its a great opportunity for Tkachyk to step up, and hopefully Monahan too if hes on the opening night roster.

 

[DJJones]

I think it will be obvious from the first shirt. He was the heart and soul of the team, and the hardest worker on and off the ice. On a team that was described as "rudderless" they are now missing a large chunk of sail as well, so to speak. They lack secondary leadership and it was really him and a buncha puppies, sans Lucic.

Not like our leadership was great with Gio. Sutter can fill the hole for a year until someone proves themselves.

 

[Ainsy01]

bad teams have no leaders
good teams are led by coaches
great teams are led by players

guess which one Calgary will be

 

[TFHockey]

Murray apparently has multiple offers on the table right now. Likely just sorting through them.

If Reilly is really moving on from the Leafs at the end of the year, how do you feel about Holland going after him as a UFA? The Oilers have to make some cap room for sure to make it happen, for sure.

I'd rather Holland do that than allow a player of Reilly's caliber go to the Flames.

 

[bossram]

OEL straight up for Sean Monahan.

Please. Please Calgary. It's OEL! "Elite" defenseman!

 

[blankall]

Yeah. I really don’t see the need for Calgary to go out and spend what it takes to bring in a real upgrade at LD. The depth there obviously isn’t perfect, but it’s not so bad either, pending what you get out of Valimaki/Zadorov. But with Valimaki, at some point you’ve gotta give him a bit of a chance to push his way into the top-4 and prove he can handle it. Zadorov is the sort of piece you can use to do that, without really “blocking” him. Zadorov is really that classic #4/5 “tweener”. He’s not a guy you ideally want in a rock solid contending Top-4...but he’s capable of more than bottom pairing minutes.

Between those two, I think you’ve mostly covered off whatever minutes Hanifin-Tanev don’t play. Between a pair of sorta #4/5 tweeners.

It’s not awe inspiring or anything, but it seems at least serviceable. With the potential to be a lot more than that, if Valimaki comes back healthy and strong.

Pretty much everyone in that division is playing with at least one wonky wheel, or some sort of timeshare/depth rotation somewhere in there Top-4D anyway.

Until Valimaki develops, well see both Zadorov and Valimaki deployed situationally in that #4 spot. Zadorov is a great physical shut down force, but totally lacking in offensive ability. Valimaki has huge offensive upside but still makes lots of rookie mistakes defensively. You're totally correct that blocking Valimaki's development into a top 4, and using a bunch of assets to do so, is awful asset management.

I do think people are underrating Zadarov somewhat. He's only 26 and has handled 19 minutes/game through multiple seasons.

 

[blankall]

I think it will be obvious from the first shirt. He was the heart and soul of the team, and the hardest worker on and off the ice. On a team that was described as "rudderless" they are now missing a large chunk of sail as well, so to speak. They lack secondary leadership in the heart and soul category. Hopefully Backlund can step up, when hes angry hes good. Tanev can step into a leadership role and I think its a great opportunity for Tkachyk to step up, and hopefully Monahan too if hes on the opening night roster.

Giordano always struck me as a quiet lead by example type. That wasn't really working with the current group of kids. I will always appreciate what Giordano did for team, but I also don't see a major leadership loss, with him moving on. In the last two years, Giordano had lost some of his fire, and was really making a lot of poor decisions on the ice. He seemed to flounder at times, which spread through the rest of the team.

 

[Ainsy01]

Giordano always struck me as a quiet lead by example type. That wasn't really working with the current group of kids. I will always appreciate what Giordano did for team, but I also don't see a major leadership loss, with him moving on. In the last two years, Giordano had lost some of his fire, and was really making a lot of poor decisions on the ice. He seemed to flounder at times, which spread through the rest of the team.

Time will tell. Every interview about him has said otherwise.

 

[Sam Pollock]

bad teams have no leaders
good teams are led by coaches
great teams are led by players

guess which one Calgary will be

Amazing teams are led by Darryl Sutter.

Amazing?

 

[Techcoockie]

OEL straight up for Sean Monahan.

you got him for a cap dump.... and you want a 1c back... what ?

 

[Volica]

Zad's spot to lose now that he's back on the carbs.

 

[BannedFromCDC]

you got him for a cap dump.... and you want a 1c back... what ?

Just because he's your 1C, doesn't mean he is a 1C.

 

[Reality Czech]

Given the contractual situations of the two players and the positions they both play, without question Sam Girard is the more valuable asset over Tkachuk. Without a doubt.

That's a ridiculous statement! I'll take a gamer like Tkachuk over an undersized offensive defenseman any day of the week, no matter how much potential Girard has.

 

[McJedi]

Zadorov can play top 4, ideally Valimaki plays there but Z is fine, especially with Tanev anchoring whoever he is paired with

Zadorov in a top 4? Only if the Flames want to lead the league in number of times called for icing the puck.

 

[blankall]

Just because he's your 1C, doesn't mean he is a 1C.

He's not even the Flames' 1C anymore. Lindholm is.....and maybe Eichel. Monahan is a great player though, just a poor #1 centre.