Top-200 Hockey Players of All-Time

[Dingo]

good work, guys

 

[ted2019]

Wondering if someone can update the first graph, adding the final few players.

 

[Theokritos]

Wondering if someone can update the first graph, adding the final few players.

I was waiting to see if the runoff idea gets support, but it didn't amount to anything. The list is updated now.

 

[DN28]

A minor thing but just noticed Yakushev's birth year is 1974 - it should be 1947. Can a mod change it?

 

[Theokritos]

A minor thing but just noticed Yakushev's birth year is 1974 - it should be 1947. Can a mod change it?

Thanks for the hint. It's fixed now.

 

[Melrose Munch]

nice to see

wow denis savard has fallen out of favour.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

nice to see

wow denis savard has fallen out of favour.

He definitely did.

At some point, I'm going to compare where guys finished on the Top Players by Position projects VS this project. I suspect Savard and Sittler will be among the biggest fallers

 

[tarheelhockey]

He definitely did.

At some point, I'm going to compare where guys finished on the Top Players by Position projects VS this project. I suspect Savard and Sittler will be among the biggest fallers

It’s funny, I actually thought Savard had a pretty smooth ride during the discussion round. Maybe I’m misremembering, but I don’t remember any harsh negatives that would have caused a tumble.

Perhaps he slipped on the preliminary lists? If that’s the case, it might say something about how we’ve generally come to view the 80s NHL outside of a few top talents. And if that’s the case I’d point to a possible root cause being an increased respect for the Soviet players of that era.

edit: lots of “ifs” in this post. Just a theory that might or might not bear out when we see the preliminary list.

 

[Melrose Munch]

It’s funny, I actually thought Savard had a pretty smooth ride during the discussion round. Maybe I’m misremembering, but I don’t remember any harsh negatives that would have caused a tumble.

Perhaps he slipped on the preliminary lists? If that’s the case, it might say something about how we’ve generally come to view the 80s NHL outside of a few top talents. And if that’s the case I’d point to a possible root cause being an increased respect for the Soviet players of that era.

edit: lots of “ifs” in this post. Just a theory that might or might not bear out when we see the preliminary list.

He definitely did.

At some point, I'm going to compare where guys finished on the Top Players by Position projects VS this project. I suspect Savard and Sittler will be among the biggest fallers

Definitely interested to see how Savard fell. I personally think the injuries later on he had hurt him imo.

 

[wetcoast]

Definitely interested to see how Savard fell. I personally think the injuries later on he had hurt him imo.

Right or wrong I think the fact that he was a complete non factor in his only SC at age 31 probably has something to do with it albeit at an unconscious level.

That and the already high number of excellent centres post expansion.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Has it been decided what the next list will be? I'd be interested to take part if the topic is right.

 

[ted2019]

Has it been decided what the next list will be? I'd be interested to take part if the topic is right.

I would say it would be at least another year or so.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Has it been decided what the next list will be? I'd be interested to take part if the topic is right.

I would say it would be at least another year or so.

Yeah, the pace has usually been to take at least a few months off and then very gradually start up with the "hey, what should the next project be?" conversation. Then another month or two of deciding what to do, and then arranging the logistics. My guess is we see that conversation start up again sometime early next hockey season, say December.

The good news is that the next project is more likely to be a top-30 of some niche subject, rather than another 100 names added to the Big List. A smaller project should run a little more briskly. Top-100s are a big, big lift.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Has it been decided what the next list will be? I'd be interested to take part if the topic is right.

Probably top pre-NHL players of all-time. That one got the most votes of the remaining projects, by a wide margin.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Yeah, the pace has usually been to take at least a few months off and then very gradually start up with the "hey, what should the next project be?" conversation. Then another month or two of deciding what to do, and then arranging the logistics. My guess is we see that conversation start up again sometime early next hockey season, say December.

The good news is that the next project is more likely to be a top-30 of some niche subject, rather than another 100 names added to the Big List. A smaller project should run a little more briskly. Top-100s are a big, big lift.

In the past, we generally liked to start these things around the start of the new NHL season.

That feels a little too soon to me this year, just because this massive project just ended. But maybe it won't feel that way in a few months.

 

[Professor What]

I can already tell that my preferred option would be the pre-consolidation project discussed.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

TOP 300 LET’S GO

 

[tarheelhockey]

TOP 300 LET’S GO

Can't wait for the big Ogrodnick/Hejduk showdown!

 

[seventieslord]

Can't wait for the big Ogrodnick/Hejduk showdown!

I think you're joking, but.... I think it would take a top-600 before we had that showdown.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Can't wait for the big Ogrodnick/Hejduk showdown!

I think you're joking, but.... I think it would take a top-600 before we had that showdown.

FWIW, in the 40 team ATD 2020, Hejduk was drafted 494th. Ogrodnick 953rd.

 

[Johnny Engine]

FWIW, in the 40 team ATD 2020, Hejduk was drafted 494th. Ogrodnick 953rd.

This offers some support for the first two gut reactions I had to Tarheel's joke, which were:
- Wouldn't Hejduk's career be miles and miles better than Ogrodnick's? (without double checking on any of their bullet points)
- Hejduk seems like he'd be reasonably close to in the conversation for #300 once you correct for all the team-building aspects of the ATD (the desire for checking forwards, positional needs, blah blah)

 

[tarheelhockey]

This offers some support for the first two gut reactions I had to Tarheel's joke, which were:
- Wouldn't Hejduk's career be miles and miles better than Ogrodnick's? (without double checking on any of their bullet points)
- Hejduk seems like he'd be reasonably close to in the conversation for #300 once you correct for all the team-building aspects of the ATD (the desire for checking forwards, positional needs, blah blah)

I just picked two random players, guys

 

[Kranix]

Shanny at 195. I was looking over the NHL 100 greatest on NHL.com again today, and had forgotten Shanny is in there, which seems like maybe the most glaring mistake in the list.

 

[ted2019]

Shanny at 195. I was looking over the NHL 100 greatest on NHL.com again today, and had forgotten Shanny is in there, which seems like maybe the most glaring mistake in the list.

This was not just a most popular player type of list, nor just an NHL only list. He was listed where we thought he should be as there are a lot of things that are looked into besides goals, assists and points. If so, Mike Gartner would've been in the top 50.

 

[Kranix]

This was not just a most popular player type of list, nor just an NHL only list. He was listed where we thought he should be as there are a lot of things that are looked into besides goals, assists and points. If so, Mike Gartner would've been in the top 50.

I understand the differences between the list. I meant him being in the top 100 NHL.com list was a mistake by them, not a mistake in the list here.