top 20 from past 6 drafts

[turnbuckle*]

So in other words, the HF top 20 plus a couple of young roster players.

so in other words, just whine about it. Are we not allowed to have different lists than what appears on HF? Excuse me for wanting some different opinions.

There are teams with prospects from before 2001 still in their top 20, there are also free agents. Danis and Cote for instance weren't drafted and don't qualify for this list, but you see them in some Habs' top 20 lists.

the main purpose of this was to compare teams' drafting records over the past six years. simply by looking at teams top 20 lists from HF doesn't achieve that accurately.

 

[turnbuckle*]

6 years seems like a strange number to just take out of the air, but ok.

Edmonton:
1. Hemsky
2. Stoll
3. Schremp
4. Cogliano
5. Pouliot
6. Greene
7. Dubnyk
8. Trukhno
9. Chorney
10. Markkanen
11. Jacques
12. Petry
13. Brodziak
14. Deslauriers
15. Roy
16. Syvret
17. Peckham
18. McDonald
19. Young
20. Paukovich


And just because, the Edmonton all time drafted team:

Smyth - Messier - Kurri
Anderson - Arnott - Hemsky
Tikkanen - Comrie - Satan
Ruchinsky - Horcoff - Buchberger

Coffee - Lowe
Smith - Beukeboom
Poti - Greene

Fuhr
Moog

I didn't just take the figure out of the air....2001 was the first Montreal draft after the Houle era. I wanted to see how Montreal's drafting stacks up in the Andre Savard/Trevor Timmins era, and i think it stacks up pretty well.

 

[Grizz MacArthur]

IMO, the top 20 Sens draft picks from the past 6 drafts (2001-2006 inclusive) would be (in no specific order):

NHL Players:
Jason Spezza (2001 - 2nd overall)
Andrej Meszaros (2004 - 23rd overall)
Ray Emery (2001 - 99th overall)
Patrick Eaves (2003 - 29th overall)
Christoph Schubert (2001 - 127th overall)
Tim Gleason (2001 - 23rd overall)
Brooks Laich (2001 - 193rd overall)
Jakub Klepis (2002 - 16th overall)

Prospects:
Nick Foligno (2006 - 28th overall)
Brian Lee (2005 - 9th overall)
Tomas Kudelka (2005 - 136th overall)
Alexei Kaigorodov (2002 - 47th overall)
Jeff Glass (2004 - 89th overall)
Brandon Bochenski (2001 - 223rd overall)
Ilya Zubov (2005 - 98th overall)
Igor Mirnov (2003 - 67th overall)
Brian Elliott (2003 - 291st overall)
Kaspars Daugavins (2006 - 91st overall)
Vitaly Anikeyenko (2005 - 70th overall)
Shawn Weller (2004 - 77th overall)

 

[CBJSlash]

Columbus Blue Jackets

1. Rick Nash
2. Nikolai Zherdev
3. Pascal Leclaire
4. Gilbert Brule
5. Aaron Johnson
6. Dan Fritsche
7. Alexandre Picard
8. Derrick Brassard
9. Kris Russell
10. Ole Kristoff Tollefson
11. Adam Pinneault
12. Steve Mason
13. Jaro Balastik
14. Steven Goerten
15. Joakim Lindstrom
16. Sergei Mozyakin
17. Thomas Popperle
18. Kyle Wharton
19. Adam McQuaid
20. Ben Wright

 

[MXD]

I debated putting a question mark after future NHLers LOL ..I agree it's too early to annoint Valentenko, D'agostini and a few others 'future NHLers', but they're heading in that direction.

FYI I talked to Trevor Timmins yesterday afternoon, and he raved about Valentenko and his play at the WJC; really loves his character and grit, and would like to see him come over with Emelin and be tutored by a re-signed Markov some day.

Timmins mentioned one particular play where Pavel jumped on the ice and went after Downie. He was really impressed by his toughness and leadership.

Well, he played like a friggin bonehead, and TT should figure out that Valentenko took penalties while Canada were dominating due to their Power Play.

Well, my call

1 : Chris Higgins, 2002, 1-14
2 : Guillaume Latendresse, 2005, 2-45
3 : Carey Price, 2005, 1-5
4 : Mike Komisarek, 2001, 1-7
5 : Kyle Chipchura, 2004,1-18
6 : Mikhail Grabovski, 2004, 5-150
7 : Tomas Plekanec, 2001, 3-71
8 : Mark Streit, 2004, 9-262
9 : Alex Perezhoghin, 2001, 1-25
10 : Jaroslav Halak, 2003, 9-271
11 : Ben Maxwell
12 : Alexei Emelin
13 : Maxim Lapierre, 2003, 2-61 (How is that possible, there's only 30 teams!)
14 : Ryan White
15 : Sergei Kostitsyn
16 : David Fischer
17 : Mathieu Carle
18 :Andrei Kostitsyn
19 : Ryan O'Byrne
20 : Jonathan Ferland

 

[Big McLargehuge]

LMAO @ the players you have higher than Whitney.

Once Whitney learns to be something more than a soft pylon on defense and shoot the god****ed puck on offense he's below Goligoski & Letang in my books. At least they'll shoot.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

13 : Maxim Lapierre, 2003, 2-61 (How is that possible, there's only 30 teams!)

Compensation picks. There were 38 picks in the 2003 second round.

 

[The Viking Fury]

Washington:

1. Alexander Ovechkin, 1.1, 2004
2. Alexander Semin, 1.13, 2002
3. Nicklas Backstrom, 1.4, 2006
4. Mike Green, 1.29, 2004
5. Eric Fehr, 1.18, 2003
6. Steve Eminger, 1.12, 2002
7. Boyd Gordon, 1.17, 2002
8. Semen Varlamov, 1.23, 2006
9. Francois Bouchard, 2.35, 2006
10.Jeff Schultz, 1.27, 2004
11.Sami Lepisto, 3.66, 2004
12.Michal Neuvirth, 2.34, 2006
13.Patrick McNeil, 4.118, 2005
14.Oskar Osala, 4.97, 2006
15.Joe Finley, 1.27, 2005
16.Sasha Pokulok, 1.14, 2005
17.Chris Bourque, 2.33, 2004
18.Andrew Gordon, 7.197, 2004
19.Travis Morin, 9.263, 2004
20.Mathieu Perreault, 6.177, 2006

I agree with the players, but I think Perrault needs to be higher.

 

[CapsWolverinesUSA]

I agree with the players, but I think Perrault needs to be higher.

I put him #5 on my list, which is probably too high. But I wasn't just ranking our best prospects. I was trying to rank our best picks. And that factors in value based on when the guy was selected. Getting Perrault in the 6th round and then seeing him turn around and be top 3 in the Q in scoring is a heck of a pull. Perrault is small, but so is Pat Kane. And I think the Caps may have grabbed a poor man's Pat Kane about 175 picks later than Pat Kane will go in this year's draft.

 

[Langway]

I agree with the players, but I think Perrault needs to be higher.

Maybe a couple higher, but he's still got a ways to go. If he can bulk up and get a little faster, I'd have no problem moving him up closer to Bouchard but he's just too small at this point. Compared to Kane, he looks small. I'm not sure that Perreault is close to being as good a playmaker as Kane but he does seem to be very well balanced, good on the PK and anticipating the play before it happens.

The other problem I have with him lately is that he's not producing as much without Thomas Beauregard. Earlier in the year when they were playing together, it seemed that both were equally dominant. Now, Beauregard is putting up points consistently on their top line and Perreault down on their second line isn't doing nearly as much. That's due to not having as good linemates but he's also been a little snakebit and pressing from what I've heard. Still, he's a promising sixth round pick...which isn't very common coming from GMGM.

 

[CapsWolverinesUSA]

6 years seems like a strange number to just take out of the air, but ok.

Edmonton:
1. Hemsky
2. Stoll
3. Schremp
4. Cogliano
5. Pouliot
6. Greene
7. Dubnyk
8. Trukhno
9. Chorney
10. Markkanen
11. Jacques
12. Petry
13. Brodziak
14. Deslauriers
15. Roy
16. Syvret
17. Peckham
18. McDonald
19. Young
20. Paukovich

Not sure where on the list he would go, but hopefully you Oilers fans are aware of the great season David Rolhfs (5th round, 2003) is having at the University of Michigan. His reputation has always been that of a defensive forward. He was so good at this role, that he played the entire 04-05 season as a defensemen when Michigan was a little shallow at the blue line. He did a solid job as a defensemen, converted back to forward last year, and this year, as a senior, he has 12 goals and 11 assists in 23 games, while still playing great 2-way hockey. Most people figured this point per game pace had a lot to do with feeding off of being the 3rd wheel on the 1st line with TJ Hensick and Kevin Porter, but just this week he was moved down to the 3rd line with two unheralded players to try and give the team a 3rd scoring line, and his new line has produced 4 goals in 2 games (with David scoring 2 of them, and assisting on another). Compare those 4 goals in 2 games to the 7 goals in 21 games that the Michigan 3rd line had produced before David got there.

I really think this guy has a chance to make the Edmonton roster and contribute as a 3rd/4th line winger. He's big (6'3, 235), physical, plays both ends effectively, and is proficient at scoring ugly goals. He's especially great on the penalty kill, where his instincts as a former defensemen really takeover. Not the quickest skater, but an all around smart and hard working player.

 

[Bam Beet*]

Avs:

1-Wojtek Wolski
2-J-M Liles
3-Paul Stastny
4-Peter Budaj
5-Marek Svatos
6-Brad Richardson
7-T.J. Hensick
8-Kyle Cumiskey
9-Chris Stewart
10-Ryan Stoa
11-Codey Burki
12-David Jones
13-Tom Fritsche
14-Mike Carman
15-Nigel Williams
16-Ray Marcias
17-Cody McCormick
18-Tyler Weiman
19-Johnny Boychuk
20-Denis Parshin

Bolded all playing for the big team.

 

[19 for president]

Here is my go at it for the Wings. Bold= NHLers, Red= pretty close to the NHL (if progress continues as it has) *note this is based mostly on what I've read and seen in callups/ pre-season games

1. Valtteri Filppula
2. Jimmy Howard
3. Jiri Hudler
4. Igor Grigorenko
5. Jakub Kindl
6. Kyle Quincey
7. Corey Emmerton
8. Justin Abdelkader
9. Darren Helm
10. Jonathan Ericsson
11. Johan Ryno
12. Evan McGrath
13. Jan Mursak
14. Miroslav Blatak
15. Shawn Matthias
16. Derek Meech
17. Ryan Oulahen
18. Jeff May
19. Sergei Kolosov
20. Daniel Larsson

 

[MLSE]

1 Kyle Wellwood (round 5 #134 overall 2001)
2 Alexander Steen (round 1 #24 overall 2002)
3 Tuukka Rask (round 1 #21 overall 2005)
4 Carlo Colaiacovo (round 1 #17 overall 2001)
5 Justin Pogge (round 3 #90 overall 2004)
6 Matthew Stajan (round 2 #57 overall 2002)
7 Ian White (round 6 #191 overall 2002)
8 Jiri Tlusty (round 1 #13 overall 2006)
9 Anton Stralman (round 7 #216 overall 2005)
10 Brendan Bell (round 3 #65 overall 2001)
11 Jeremy Williams (round 7 #220 overall 2003)
12 Staffan Kronwall (round 9 #285 overall 2002)
13 Robbie Earl (round 6 #187 overall 2004)
14 Dmitry Vorobiev (round 5 #157 overall 2004)
15 James Reimer (round 4 #99 overall 2006)
16 Nikolai Kulemin (round 2 #44 overall 2006)
17 Jarkko Immonen (round 8 #254 overall 2002)
18 Chad Rau (round 7 #228 overall 2005)
19 John Mitchell (round 5 #158 overall 2003)
20 Phil Oreskovic (round 3 #82 overall 2005)

 

[turnbuckle*]

Well, he played like a friggin bonehead, and TT should figure out that Valentenko took penalties while Canada were dominating due to their Power Play.

Well, my call

1 : Chris Higgins, 2002, 1-14
2 : Guillaume Latendresse, 2005, 2-45
3 : Carey Price, 2005, 1-5
4 : Mike Komisarek, 2001, 1-7
5 : Kyle Chipchura, 2004,1-18
6 : Mikhail Grabovski, 2004, 5-150
7 : Tomas Plekanec, 2001, 3-71
8 : Mark Streit, 2004, 9-262
9 : Alex Perezhoghin, 2001, 1-25
10 : Jaroslav Halak, 2003, 9-271
11 : Ben Maxwell
12 : Alexei Emelin
13 : Maxim Lapierre, 2003, 2-61 (How is that possible, there's only 30 teams!)
14 : Ryan White
15 : Sergei Kostitsyn
16 : David Fischer
17 : Mathieu Carle
18 :Andrei Kostitsyn
19 : Ryan O'Byrne
20 : Jonathan Ferland

you sure talk like you figure you're quite a bit brighter than Timmins so i guess we best all agree.

Thanks for providing your Hab list as well; as mine would never stack up to your highnesses. I was waiting for it with bated breath

There are notable differences you should consider when weighing your opinion with Timmins even though you apparently figure you're a lot better hockey man than him - he was actually at the tournament, and saw more of Valentenko than flashes of him on a TV screen. As well - he actually saw Valentenko play in more than one contest, and didn't judge his entire tourrnament based on a couple of minor penalties in one contest.

 

[arin1]

1. Valtteri Filppula
2. Jimmy Howard
3. Jiri Hudler
4. Jakub Kindl
5. Igor Grigorenko
6. Tomas Kopecky
7. Kyle Quincey
8. Corey Emmerton
9. Jan Mursak
10. Darren Helm
11. Jonathan Ericsson
12. Justin Abdelkader
13. Derek Meech
14. Evan McGrath
15. Johan Ryno
16. Jeff May
17. Shawn Matthias
18. Daniel Larsson
19. Ryan Oulahen
20. Andreas Sundin

 

[jordy]

the habs prospects are brutal

 

[kruezer]

Hmm, here's a stab at Calgary....

1. Dion Phaneuf
2. Leland Irving
3. Dustin Boyd
4. Chuck Kobasew
5. Andrei Taratukhin
6. Matthew Lombardi
7. Dan Ryder
8. David Moss
10. Matt Pelech
11. Matt Keetley
12. Curtis McElhinney
13. Devin Didiomete
14. Brandon Prust
15. Eric Nystrom
16. David Van Der Gulik
17. Kris Chucko
18. Juuso Puustinen
19. Gord Baldwin
20. Yuri Trubachev

Well, not that impressive, but actually better than I expected. Bold is the guys who have played a game in the NHL.

And yes, I am a fan of Didiomete.

 

[________]

Dallas (Bold have played/are in the NHL)
1. Matt Niskanen
2. Loui Eriksson
3. Nicklas Grossman
4. Trevor Daley
5. Mike Smith
6. Jussi Jokinen
7. James Neal
8. Perttu Lindgren
9. Ivan Vishnevsky
10. Mark Fistric
11. Vojtech Polak
12. Marius Holtet
13. Raymond Sawada
14. Yared Hagos
15. Tom Wandell
16. Richard Clune
17. Richard Bachman
18. David McIntyre
19. Tobias Stephan
20. Janos Vas

 

[AmericanDream]

Well, he played like a friggin bonehead, and TT should figure out that Valentenko took penalties while Canada were dominating due to their Power Play.

Well, my call

1 : Chris Higgins, 2002, 1-14
2 : Guillaume Latendresse, 2005, 2-45
3 : Carey Price, 2005, 1-5
4 : Mike Komisarek, 2001, 1-7
5 : Kyle Chipchura, 2004,1-18
6 : Mikhail Grabovski, 2004, 5-150
7 : Tomas Plekanec, 2001, 3-71
8 : Mark Streit, 2004, 9-262
9 : Alex Perezhoghin, 2001, 1-25
10 : Jaroslav Halak, 2003, 9-271
11 : Ben Maxwell
12 : Alexei Emelin
13 : Maxim Lapierre, 2003, 2-61 (How is that possible, there's only 30 teams!)
14 : Ryan White
15 : Sergei Kostitsyn
16 : David Fischer
17 : Mathieu Carle
18 :Andrei Kostitsyn
19 : Ryan O'Byrne
20 : Jonathan Ferland

just curious, what about Ron Hainsey??? I know he did squat with you guys, but he has turned his career around in Columbus and is a top 4 d-man now. should be on that list IMO.

 

[Zim]

I'll try and do a by order for Chicago

1. Brent Seabrook
2. Jonathon Toews
3. Cam Barker
4. Tuomo Ruutu
5. Duncan Keith
6. Jack Skille
7. Dave Bolland
8. James Wisniewski
9. Troy Brouwer
10. Lasse Kukkonen (now with flyers in the Williams trade)
11. Petri Kontiola
12. Igor Makorov
13. Anton Babchuk (with carolina in the Vrbata/Richmond trade)
14. Mike Blunden
15. Corey Crawford
16. Bryan Bickell
17. Dustin Byfuglien
18. Nate Davis
19. Evan Brophey
20. Niklas Hjalmarsson

Bertram, Juutilainen, Fraser, Dowell and Fallon just miss out.

The list is obviously just my take on them now combining their potential with their current play. So obviously Barker/Toews could develop to be better than Seabrook but at the moment Seabrook is better and so on.