Top 20 fighters of all time

[m9]

Barbosa is a BJJ brown belt under Almeida, so yeah I think he would be okay.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

My top 30

1 Anderson Silva
2 Georges St. Pierre
3 Jon Jones
4 Fedor Emelianenko
5 Daniel Cormier
6 Jose Aldo
7 Connor Mcgregor
8 Demetrius Johnson
9 Dominik Cruz
10 Matt Hughes

11. BJ Penn
12. Antonio Noguiera
13. Dan Henderson
14. Kazushi Sakuraba
15. Tyron Woodley
16. Chuck Liddell
17. Randy Couture
18 Mirko Cro Cop
19 Vitor Belfort
20 Wanderlei Silva
21 Rampage Jackson
22 Igor Vovchanchyn
23 Shogun Rua
24 TJ Dillashaw
25 Tito Ortiz
26 Fabricio Werdum
27 Lyotto Machida
28. Stipe Miocic
29. Frank Shamrock
30. Royce Gracie

HM: M. Holloway, K. Nurmagomedov, B. Henderson, F. Edgar, C. Valesquez, R. Lawler, D. Sevren, K. Shamrock

 

[MaxV]

I like that list, Bertuzzzi.

I still don’t get the Vitor high ranking, but he seems to have a strong following.

 

[Unsustainable]

I’ll go:

Fedor
Igor Vovchanchyn
Matt Hughes: meet him, really good dude
Royce Gracie
Dan Henderson
GSP
DC
Randy Couture
Jon Jones
Chuck Liddell
Bas Rutten
B.J. Penn
Cro Cop
Wanderlei
Anderson
Rampage
Shamrock
Rickson Gracie
Diaz

 

[Byron Bitz]

Since you're not taking steroids into account, Jon Jones has to be #1

He beat #5, #12, #16 and #20 on your list in convincing fashion

And Silva holds convincing wins over #5, #12 plus 3 wins over honorable mentions.

 

[Neutrinos]

And Silva holds convincing wins over #5, #12 plus 3 wins over honorable mentions.

He also has 7 losses on his resume (I'm not counting the DQ loss to Okami)

Jones is unbeaten (I'm not counting the DQ loss to Hamill)

 

[Byron Bitz]

He also has 7 losses on his resume (I'm not counting the DQ loss to Okami)

Jones is unbeaten (I'm not counting the DQ loss to Hamill)

The losses after the leg break are not fair to hold against him because it was miraculous he was even able to come back after such a horrific injury at his age. The early losses were while he was still developing. In Anderson’s prime he went undefeated from 2005-2012 with 19 wins and 11 title defences, that’s more impressive then the run Jones has been on. Also Anderson’s wins have been more impressive, more spectacular KOs.

 

[YNWA14]

Frankie Edgar deserves to be on this list somewhere.

 

[YNWA14]

Royce gracie was the best ever .Belfort was a power machine fueled by steroids so hes out.
Keep in mind how the structure was in the etlra of Gracie and no weight class
Gracie at apporox 180 lbs fought abd one vs Dan Severyn at 250. Lbs.

Royce wasn't even the best Gracie.

 

[Marcobruin]

Royce wasn't even the best Gracie.

Really??? Tell me another Gracie who was better in UFC?.
Don't want to know about some other organization or possibly another fight league in Brazil.

 

[m9]

I usually don't like these lists, but I'm bored today:

TIER 1:
1. Jon Jones

TIER 2:
2. GSP
3. Anderson Silva
4. Fedor

TIER 3:
5. Daniel Cormier
6. Fabricio Werdum
7. Jose Aldo
8. Demitrious Johnson

TIER 4:
9. Dan Henderson
10. Chuck Liddell
11. Matt Hughes
12. Big Nog

Those are my top 12 with inside the tiers being fairly interchangeable.

This is my post from a year ago, but I think I'll have to do an update soon.

I think Cormier jumps into the top 4.

I find Aldo, McGregor, and Holloway really tough to rank at this point.

I felt great about my list at the time (and still feel good about the top 4 or 5) but it gets messy after that.

 

[DaaaaB's]

My top 30

1 Anderson Silva
2 Georges St. Pierre
3 Jon Jones
4 Fedor Emelianenko
5 Daniel Cormier
6 Jose Aldo
7 Connor Mcgregor
8 Demetrius Johnson
9 Dominik Cruz
10 Matt Hughes

11. BJ Penn
12. Antonio Noguiera
13. Dan Henderson
14. Kazushi Sakuraba
15. Tyron Woodley
16. Chuck Liddell
17. Randy Couture
18 Mirko Cro Cop
19 Vitor Belfort
20 Wanderlei Silva
21 Rampage Jackson
22 Igor Vovchanchyn
23 Shogun Rua
24 TJ Dillashaw
25 Tito Ortiz
26 Fabricio Werdum
27 Lyotto Machida
28. Stipe Miocic
29. Frank Shamrock
30. Royce Gracie

HM: M. Holloway, K. Nurmagomedov, B. Henderson, F. Edgar, C. Valesquez, R. Lawler, D. Sevren, K. Shamrock

This is a pretty good list. I'd switch Jones and Silva tho. McGregor and Sakuraba are way too high imo. How do you rank Sakuraba above Wanderlei?

Wanderlei nearly killed him on multiple occasions.

 

[DaaaaB's]

This is my post from a year ago, but I think I'll have to do an update soon.

I think Cormier jumps into the top 4.

I find Aldo, McGregor, and Holloway really tough to rank at this point.

I felt great about my list at the time (and still feel good about the top 4 or 5) but it gets messy after that.

Your list is really good. I'd drop Liddell down a bit. I rank Wanderlei and Shogun above him at lhw. It's arguable tho. I agree that it gets tough after the top 5.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Heres my top 20 mma fighters of all time. I considered female fighters As well. I did not take their behaviour outside of the ring/octagon or steroid use into account. What do you think of my list? Who do I have too high/too low?

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. George St. Pierre
4. Jon Jones
5. Dan Henderson
6. Antonio Noguiera
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Demetrius Johnson
9. Jose Aldo
10. Chuck Liddell
11. Mirko Cro Cop
12. Victor Belfort
13. Kazushi Sakuraba
14. Igor Vovchanchyn
15. Randy Couture
16. Shogun Rua
17. Conor McGregor
18. B.J Penn
19.Cain Velasques
20. Daniel Cormier
HM: Rich Franklin, Matt Hughes, Nick Diaz, Takanori Gomi

DC should be in top 10.

 

[Eye of Ra]

My top 30

1 Anderson Silva
2 Georges St. Pierre
3 Jon Jones
4 Fedor Emelianenko
5 Daniel Cormier
6 Jose Aldo
7 Connor Mcgregor
8 Demetrius Johnson
9 Dominik Cruz
10 Matt Hughes

11. BJ Penn
12. Antonio Noguiera
13. Dan Henderson
14. Kazushi Sakuraba
15. Tyron Woodley
16. Chuck Liddell
17. Randy Couture
18 Mirko Cro Cop
19 Vitor Belfort
20 Wanderlei Silva
21 Rampage Jackson
22 Igor Vovchanchyn
23 Shogun Rua
24 TJ Dillashaw
25 Tito Ortiz
26 Fabricio Werdum
27 Lyotto Machida
28. Stipe Miocic
29. Frank Shamrock
30. Royce Gracie

HM: M. Holloway, K. Nurmagomedov, B. Henderson, F. Edgar, C. Valesquez, R. Lawler, D. Sevren, K. Shamrock

alexander gustafsson gave dc cormier and jon jones one of their best fights ever, and those 2 guys are top 10 all time, how then can you not even have gus in top30 or hm?

 

[MaxV]

Looking at Vitor's career, he has certainly fought a lot big profile fights, but he lost a vast majority of them.

He is more of a top 30 guy imo.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

alexander gustafsson gave dc cormier and jon jones one of their best fights ever, and those 2 guys are top 10 all time, how then can you not even have gus in top30 or hm?

I Love Gus but he has never been champion whereas guys on that list have. Very good fighter, but not top 30.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

My Top 35 updated (top 3 interchangeable)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Jon Jones
4. Fedor Emelianenko
5. Daniel Cormier
6. Jose Aldo
7. Demetrius Johnson
8. Dominik Cruz
9. Matt Hughes
10. BJ Penn
11. Connor McGregor
12. Antonio Noguiera
13. Dan Henderson
14. Tyron Woodley
15. Kazushi Sakuraba
16. Chuck Liddell
17. Randy Couture
18. Wanderlei Silva
19. Rampage Jackson
20. Mirko Cro Cop
21. Khabib Nurmagomedov
22. Igor Vovchanchyn
23. Shogun Rua
24. Tito Ortiz
25. Vitor Belfort
26. Max Holloway
27. TJ Dillashaw
28. Fabricio Werdum
29. Lyotto Machida
30. Frank Shamrock
31. Royce Gracie
32. Frankie Edgar
33. Tony Ferguson
34. Ken Shamrock
35. Dan Sevren

HM: B. Rutten, R. Lawler, B. Henderson, S. Miocic, C.Valesquez.

 

[zombie kopitar]

1. Amanda Nunes
2. Tyron Woodley

suck it haters /s

 

[Neutrinos]

My Top 35 updated (top 3 interchangeable)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Jon Jones
4. Fedor Emelianenko
5. Daniel Cormier
6. Jose Aldo
7. Demetrius Johnson
8. Dominik Cruz
9. Matt Hughes
10. BJ Penn
11. Connor McGregor
12. Antonio Noguiera
13. Dan Henderson
14. Tyron Woodley
15. Kazushi Sakuraba
16. Chuck Liddell
17. Randy Couture
18. Wanderlei Silva
19. Rampage Jackson
20. Mirko Cro Cop
21. Khabib Nurmagomedov
22. Igor Vovchanchyn
23. Shogun Rua
24. Tito Ortiz
25. Vitor Belfort
26. Max Holloway
27. TJ Dillashaw
28. Fabricio Werdum
29. Lyotto Machida
30. Frank Shamrock
31. Royce Gracie
32. Frankie Edgar
33. Tony Ferguson
34. Ken Shamrock
35. Dan Sevren

HM: B. Rutten, R. Lawler, B. Henderson, S. Miocic, C.Valesquez.

Rua at 23 seems way too low

I'd say he's arguably top 10, having wins over Liddell, Rampage, Coleman, Machida, Randleman, Arona, Overeem twice

Other than the loss to Coleman when he landed awkwardly on his arm and suffered an injury, Rua was otherwise undefeated in Pride

Skill-wise and stylistically, he's essentially a smaller version of Fedor

 

[Hammer9001]

What exactly did Pat Miletich do to earn a spot in your top 20?

His biggest win appears to be against Shonie Carter

That's fair two, I supposed I'm letting a portion of his coaching career (in particular with Matt Hughes) bleed in here. I guess put Jones or Cormier up there. I generally don't like guys busted for the juice (especially twice), nor guys who can't keep their lives out of the ring in order, but as a fighter Jones is still likely the better fighter, even if I think Cormier is a bit more deserving of the accolade.

I guess swap out Rich too then.

 

[YNWA14]

My Top 35 updated (top 3 interchangeable)

1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Jon Jones
4. Fedor Emelianenko
5. Daniel Cormier
6. Jose Aldo
7. Demetrius Johnson
8. Dominik Cruz
9. Matt Hughes
10. BJ Penn
11. Connor McGregor
12. Antonio Noguiera
13. Dan Henderson
14. Tyron Woodley
15. Kazushi Sakuraba
16. Chuck Liddell
17. Randy Couture
18. Wanderlei Silva
19. Rampage Jackson
20. Mirko Cro Cop
21. Khabib Nurmagomedov
22. Igor Vovchanchyn
23. Shogun Rua
24. Tito Ortiz
25. Vitor Belfort
26. Max Holloway
27. TJ Dillashaw
28. Fabricio Werdum
29. Lyotto Machida
30. Frank Shamrock
31. Royce Gracie
32. Frankie Edgar
33. Tony Ferguson
34. Ken Shamrock
35. Dan Sevren

HM: B. Rutten, R. Lawler, B. Henderson, S. Miocic, C.Valesquez.

It's a pretty good list. I'd say having guys like Machida, Dillashaw, Belfort, Ortiz, Cro Cop, Wanderlei and Jackson over Edgar is borderline criminal though. I also think I'd have Frank Shamrock higher. Demetrius Johnson should probably go above Aldo, Hughes above Cruz, and Rua should be higher as mentioned.

A good list overall though, and most fighters are hard to place within an exact spot or two. It might almost be easier to just do it as a tier system than a strict 'top 20 or 30'.

 

[Neutrinos]

I think Hughes is being somewhat overrated

Does anybody think prime Hughes would beat Woodley?

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I think Hughes is being somewhat overrated

Does anybody think prime Hughes would beat Woodley?

Fighters evolved rapidly, do you think prime Royce Gracie beats a guy like Dos Anjos? Hughes was much better than his competition during his reign.

 

[Neutrinos]

Fighters evolved, do you think prime Royce Gracie beats a guy like Dos Anjos? Hughes was much better than his competition during his reign.

But it was easier back then for Hughes to be "much better than his competition during his reign"

So, Hughes isn't as good as Woodley. And Hughes' competition wasn't as tough as what Woodley faces. Yet, Hughes is ranked higher?

I'm not sure that's the best way to be ranking fighters