Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Voting Results (Part 1)

[The Macho King]

Pretty displeased with Ovechkin and Lafleur being this high actually...neither were in my top 5...I also value wings much less than most probably...predictably incomplete wings...there's no less impactful player...

I might be the same - outside of Howe and Hull I've yet to have a winger in my top 5.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I'm more surprised about the amount of first place votes that he got...don't really recall that case being made so convincingly...

 

[BenchBrawl]

After Robinson (and Fetisov), I won't be in any hurry to get any other defenseman in, as long as a ton of those centers will still be eligible.

Thinking about Steve Yzerman vs. Chris Chelios, first gut feeling based on memories was that Yzerman was a better, more important player.Gut feelings aren't the most accurate way to compare players but they also matter to some extent.Then I see that there's arguably 9-10 centers that could get in before Yzerman, and the next level of defensemen just look weak compared to this tier of centers.

 

[VMBM]

Even as a non-participant, I'm looking forward to a Fetisov vs Makarov discussion in the next round(hopefully). Can't decide between them myself.

 

[MXD]

I'll say this though : this is our first round in a while in which we didn't see extreme results (read, NRs) affecting the final order. Fetisov got a NR (but was otherwise somewhat nowhere close), Mikita and Lafleur got no NR (and a few low votes) but no clear outlier, and Ovechkin's NR had absolutely no effect on anything.

... Though Sawchuk was something of a NR magnet.

 

[Sentinel]

People like Nighbor and hate Esposito. Who would've thought.

 

[The Macho King]

I'll say this though : this is our first round in a while in which we didn't extreme results (read, NRs) affecting the final order. Fetisov got a NR (but was otherwise somewhat nowhere close), Mikita and Lafleur got no NR (and a few low votes) but no clear outlier, and Ovechkin's NR had absolutely no effect on anything.

... Though Sawchuk was something of a NR magnet.

I'm half expecting Sawchuk to end up NR-magneting again. He just seems really out of place in this vote.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Pretty displeased with Ovechkin and Lafleur being this high actually...neither were in my top 5...I also value wings much less than most probably...predictably incomplete wings...there's no less impactful player...

 

[bobholly39]

I'll say this though : this is our first round in a while in which we didn't extreme results (read, NRs) affecting the final order. Fetisov got a NR (but was otherwise somewhat nowhere close), Mikita and Lafleur got no NR (and a few low votes) but no clear outlier, and Ovechkin's NR had absolutely no effect on anything.

... Though Sawchuk was something of a NR magnet.

I feel this was really only relevant in the first 2-3 rounds...i've not felt there's been an absolute shoe-in since then, and we probably won't have any moving forward with how close this is.

 

[Sentinel]

I'm half expecting Sawchuk to end up NR-magneting again. He just seems really out of place in this vote.

Sure. Arguably the greatest single playoff performance of all time is "out of place."

 

[The Macho King]

Someone needs to say this -

Posing with the Prince of Wales trophy is lame.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

If anything, the fact that Lafleur and Ovechkin are exceptions to the claim that "you can't win in (post-expansion) hockey when your best player is a winger" should be a point in their favor.

And yes, Ovechkin was still the 2018 Capital's best player, even if his center arguably played better over 4 rounds.

 

[The Macho King]

Sure. Arguably the greatest single playoff performance of all time is "out of place."

I am shocked to see you going to the mat for a Red Wing.

If this was a list of "greatest single playoff performances of all-time", I'd be down. But I also won't be voting for Brian Leetch this round.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Someone needs to say this -

Posing with the Prince of Wales trophy is lame.

I don't disagree on that one. Blame the media guy.

 

[Sentinel]

Makarov, Yzerman, Trottier, Bossy, and Sakic should be coming next.

 

[Michael Farkas]

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

Hmmm... chalk through four, then Mikita went around Esposito for 5th. Suppose that's not surprising. What IS surprising is that Mikita was on all ballots (even mine), but Glenn Hall was de-listed by four. Perforce, that means there are four people out there who esteem Brodeur and Sawchuk as superior. Ah, well- I guess if you're one of the people who de-listed Plante last round, then there's probably not a whole lot in Glenn Hall's résumé that's going to impress you.

Not that I thought Esposito deserved advancement... but he took a bigger bath that I anticipated.

Somebody had Fetisov unlisted.
Somebody had Ovechkin unlisted.

 

[MXD]

I feel this was really only relevant in the first 2-3 rounds...i've not felt there's been an absolute shoe-in since then, and we probably won't have any moving forward with how close this is.

It's not about shoo-ins. It's about looking at the table and asking WTH has just happened and realizing the result can only be explained by an extreme vote. (like, if Nighbor would have been NR'ed instead of being ranked 6th by 2 persons, Messier would've finished first).

 

[The Macho King]

It's not about shoo-ins. It's about looking at the table and asking WTH has just happened and realizing the result can only be explained by an extreme vote. (like, if Nighbor would have been NR'ed instead of being ranked 6th by 2 persons, Messier would've finished first).

I mean, it's hindsight, but I kind of wish we did the whole "eliminate highest and lowest vote" thing for each player to control for outliers. I guess with the voting records we could see if that would change any results, but in a project like this that's prone to some emotional more than rational choices (and I'm not innocent of this - no hockey fan is), controlling for outliers seems like a sound practice.

 

[MXD]

Hmmm... chalk through four, then Mikita went around Esposito for 5th. Suppose that's not surprising. What IS surprising is that Mikita was on all ballots (even mine), but Glenn Hall was de-listed by four. Perforce, that means there are four people out there who esteem Brodeur and Sawchuk as superior. Ah, well- I guess if you're one of the people who de-listed Plante last round, then there's probably not a whole lot in Glenn Hall's résumé that's going to impress you.

Not that I thought Esposito deserved advancement... but he took a bigger bath that I anticipated.

Somebody had Fetisov unlisted.
Somebody had Ovechkin unlisted.

I know you really didn't like Mikita as a player (and I'm not throwing any accusation of bias or hater or anything...), but he really, really was a very obvious candidate to make it.

...And I actually thought Hall was getting voted in due to how uncontroversial I perceived him to be. I'm one of the highest on Hall, and he'll probably end up being close to Mikita, which would be perfectly fine with me.

 

[bobholly39]

It's not about shoo-ins. It's about looking at the table and asking WTH has just happened and realizing the result can only be explained by an extreme vote. (like, if Nighbor would have been NR'ed instead of being ranked 6th by 2 persons, Messier would've finished first).

No I understand what you mean - but what I was saying is that i don't expect there to be any WTH possible votes moving forward. In rounds 1-3 - there were enough top players that seeing a cpl of guys with bottom votes (ex Gretzky at 7) seemed really iffy.

I'm not bothered with Ovi's last place vote this round, and i wouldn't have been bothered with Nighbor either. I felt like this last round too. The separation between players moving forward will be very small.

 

[The Macho King]

I know you really didn't like Mikita as a player (and I'm not throwing any accusation of bias or hater or anything...), but he really, really was a very obvious candidate to make it.

...And I actually thought Hall was getting voted in due to how uncontroversial I perceived him to be.

I don't recall anyone really enthusiastic about Hall, though. Brodeur had a lot more discussion/support in the thread.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I hope Clarke rebounds next vote when more focus will be on him. He's a better overall player than Esposito...and that's not just me liking guys that can play defense, Clarke had better hands in open space and was better in transition than Esposito too...

 

[BenchBrawl]

Not my wishlist, but my prediction:

Makarov
Robinson
Sakic
Trottier
Bossy

So close! Missed one.

 

[seventieslord]

Sakic is probably coming up, but I'm sure Yzerman will be a round later... Maybe two. We haven't exactly reached consensus on them, but we're damn close. Finally.