Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Round 2, Vote 21

[seventieslord]

Very close. Other things to consider... puck possession (Paul Maclean and Brian Mullen didn't carry the puck much, and Larry Hopkins... ha, ha). Eye test (Michel Goulet was SO much better than any of Hawerchuk's wingers, it isn't even funny. Marion and Anton also had better puck possession abilities than Hawerchuk's wingers. Brian Mullen was a B-minus level star at his best, while Maclean was a slightly above average sniper).

... it ain't totally cut and dry for either of them (and add Denis Savard to the mix for more 1980's "under Wayne Gretzky" superstar fun), but the eye test gives me Hawerchuk by a hair.

For the sake of our top 100, it's kinda moot anyways.

Ok but you know Goulet wasn't his linemate, right?

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Ok but you know Goulet wasn't his linemate, right?

i think in this instance, pp collaboration points are a legit discussion point.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Ok but you know Goulet wasn't his linemate, right?

I thought that he moved onto the line post '85.

 

[seventieslord]

i think in this instance, pp collaboration points are a legit discussion point.

oh, absolutely they are, and power play is included in these scores already. Which means that Michel Goulet has just the appropriate amount of influence on stastny's numbers. No more, no less.

 

[seventieslord]

I thought that he moved onto the line post '85.

Post 85, I don't think so. Post Dale Hunter trade? Yes, probably.

 

[Canadiens1958]

oh, absolutely they are, and power play is included in these scores already. Which means that Michel Goulet has just the appropriate amount of influence on stastny's numbers. No more, no less.

Please define collaboration points with precision.

Two areas of concern.

Roles change A players Goals:Assists ratio may vary significantly between ES and PP efforts.

Also five, four and three PPs skew the results especially for dmen.