Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Round 2, Vote 2

[kruezer]

Over the years I did a lot of meticulous research to make sure we were clear on the defense scoring leaders over the years, and that guys who switched were properly accounted for when applicable. Here is what I have for defense scoring leaders during Shore's career:

1927: Clancy, Shore, Conacher
1928: Shore/Day/Conacher
1929: Shore, Clancy, Mantha
1930: Clancy, Shore, Mantha
1931: Shore, Owen, Clancy
1932: Shore/Owen, Clancy
1933: Shore, Conacher, Clancy
1934: Clancy, Seibert, Conacher
1935: Shore, Hollett, Seibert
1936: Goodfellow, Siebert/Jerwa
1937: Siebert, Goodfellow/Conacher
1938: Horner, Fowler, Seibert
1939: Hollett, Clapper, Heller
1940: Clapper, Goodfellow, Hollett

Shore was 1st 4 times, tied for 1st twice, and was 2nd twice for a total of 8 times in the top-3.

Beautiful thanks thanks for this.

I am curious the most about Shore this round. I feel like I’ve been to harsh on him in my round one list.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Is he not one of the eligible players? The last time this project was done A. I wasent a member of the site and B. Crosby was still fresh in the league. Been waiting along time to be able to push for him for 5th place..

You're free to make your case for Crosby, don't be surprised if it falls on deaf ears since it will be the 2nd straight Penguins player you will be pushing to land higher on the list than majority will have him.

I don't mind you making the case, as long as it is well thought out and evidence-based, and as long as you don't mind others dismantling it and seeing if it holds water when held against other eligible players.

Though your last sentence begs the question, exactly how long do you think Crosby has had a case for #5 ever? If you've been waiting a long time, how long? Would you have argued him for #5 in 2010? 2014?

 

[BenchBrawl]

I keep editing my posts, and then the edits just don't work.It happened twice since yesterday.

 

[Canadiens1958]

No, I learnt that on here a while ago. Think he was centered by Bill Hay for the first years and then Pit Martin took over the reigns.

First two NHL seasons, Bobby Hull was a center. Moved to LW when Hay arrived.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

You're free to make your case for Crosby, don't be surprised if it falls on deaf ears since it will be the 2nd straight Penguins player you will be pushing to land higher on the list than majority will have him.

I don't mind you making the case, as long as it is well thought out and evidence-based, and as long as you don't mind others dismantling it and seeing if it holds water when held against other eligible players.

Though your last sentence begs the question, exactly how long do you think Crosby has had a case for #5 ever? If you've been waiting a long time, how long? Would you have argued him for #5 in 2010? 2014?

Since about his first smythe. So 3 years.

 

[Canadiens1958]

I keep editing my posts, and then the edits just don't work.It happened twice since yesterday.

You are not alone.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Since about his first smythe. So 3 years.

To me, his peak is not far and above the pack, and he has at least another half a decade to begin to approach the longevity of a handful of them.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I created a bunch of tables in Google sheets, does anyone know of an easy way to post them here without having to create a table and type in all the info again?

 

[The Macho King]

To me, his peak is not far and above the pack, and he has at least another half a decade to begin to approach the longevity of a handful of them.

His peak is pretty ordinary. His most impressive season is 13-14, where he outscored #2 by 17 points (so like... 15% over #2?). His other Art Ross was by 6 points and there were a good number of 100 point scorers that season.

He has a similar (but different) issue to Mario. He just missed a lot of chunks of seasons. I'm not going to credit him with hypothetical Art Ross trophies, especially when those seasons he also missed significant time in the playoffs. At the end of the day we have a guy with 2 Harts, 2 Ross trophies, 2 Rockets, and 2 Smythes, and then a lot of good partial seasons.

I don't know - he's a tough guy to place because I really think ten years from now we're going to wonder why we didn't rate Ovi higher. Best player post-lockout - I'll give him that edge over Ovi, but man his durability is a significant mark against him. I just don't see how you can reasonably place him #5 considering that, when guys like Beliveau and Bobby have better trophy cases and far better durability.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I created a bunch of tables in Google sheets, does anyone know of an easy way to post them here without having to create a table and type in all the info again?

You should be able to highlight and copy what you have in Excel, then paste it here. It works fine for me. You lose any text formatting (bold, italic, underline) in the process. You also should format the numbers before copying them (ie "10.1" instead of "10.085949393"), because numbers are copied over as is.

 

[MXD]

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I don't know - he's a tough guy to place because I really think ten years from now we're going to wonder why we didn't rate Ovi higher. Best player post-lockout - I'll give him that edge over Ovi, but man his durability is a significant mark against him. I just don't see how you can reasonably place him #5 considering that, when guys like Beliveau and Bobby have better trophy cases and far better durability.

I really don't see it like this. I mean... Crosby is a superbly balanced player, ticking just about every box. If anything, he's kinda exacly where Beliveau was when he had a few good seasons left, and my ranking will reflect exactly that.

And yes, Crosby below Beliveau is something I'm totally not budging on, but in round, there's a lot of wiggle room in the "below Beliveau" range.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Contemporary opinion? What do you mean about that? The Hart and all-star voting pretty much IS contemporary opinion!

At least when future historians look back at the current state of hockey, they'll have a wealth of thinkpieces to look at in the "McDavid is clearly the best player in the world, but can we give Hall or McKinnon the Hart because reasons?" vein. It'd be easy to go overboard with second guessing the intent of various votes and statements, but it's not as if the semantics of "best" aren't debated ad nauseum as we go along today.

 

[MXD]

If your funerals draw 50 000 people, you have a bloody impressive starpower.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Je Nes Sais Quoi

• Jean Beliveau
• Patrick Roy
• Sidney Crosby
• Dominik Hasek
• Doug Harvey
• Maurice Richard
• Howie Morenz
• Ray Bourque
• Eddie Shore

i'd have richard an easy #1 for je ne sais quoi, with a really good debate between morenz, beliveau, and roy for #2.

ray bourque would be my clear last on that list, because with bourque i know exactly what

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

Preliminary report, afternoon 5 November, 2018-

5/6: Hull/Roy, Roy/Hull. I keep going back and forth on these two. I had a quick dialogue with 'pappyline' a short while ago. I said "head says Roy, heart says Hull." He replied (and I paraphrase a little bit) 'go with your heart, because it has more sense than your head.'{} Good one. Might be a poll-time decision for me- that one.

7. Leaning Béliveau... though I think I want to hold a Béliveau in one hand and a Harvey in the other and re-examine this one.

8/9: Harvey/M. Richard. Inclining to Harvey. Virtually everything I like in a Defenseman. Tough. Zone guardian. Playoff rock. Looks to be one of those rare defenders who can influence scoring without touching the puck. Nice longevity. In spite of this, I'll keep an open mind about Richard.

10. Morenz. Can we really have a top-10 list without ANY players from the first half of the 20th Century?!?

11. Bourque. Well, he's kind of a Mr. Everything, too. If he noses ahead of Morenz, I can't be too disappointed.

12. Hašek. In spite of my glib hope that he wouldn't be nominated this round, I have him ahead of the other two guys.

13. Shore. Closest thing I have to a blank slate, here. Initial impression doesn't mean that's where he'll stay. Might not take much for me to start moving him up my board.

14. Crosby. Knew it was coming. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

X-factor: M. Richard and Shore... and those deliberate injuries that they inflicted, marring their reputations. We judge them as hockey-players, right? So- if they disgrace themselves with on-ice incidents like this- then that is a factor that might count against them, as hockey-players, yes? This theme might come into play again, with the Somewhat Overrated (as opposed to Grotesquely Overrated) Philadelphia (as opposed to Chicago) Center.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

First thoughts:

Star Power

So high up the list I still put a lot of value on star power.I separate the list in three groups for star power (no intra-group order):

Maurice Richard
Jean Béliveau
Eddie Shore
Sidney Crosby
Bobby Hull
Howie Morenz

Doug Harvey
Patrick Roy

Dominik Hasek
Ray Bourque

Clearly the first group had way more star power than the rest.IMO it's not even close.

Shouldn't Morenz, in his time often referred to as the "Babe Ruth of hockey", be higher on a list like this?

 

[BenchBrawl]

Shouldn't Morenz, in his time often referred to as the "Babe Ruth of hockey", be higher on a list like this?

It's not a list, it's three tiers.

I don't see Morenz as having much more star power than Beliveau or Shore.Maurice Richard is #1 in that department.But I kept it simple and made three tiers.

 

[86Habs]

My initial impressions, as a non-participant:

5. Beliveau
6. Crosby
7. Roy
8. Hasek
9. Hull
10. Bourque
11. Harvey
12. Richard
13. Morenz
14. Shore

If starting from scratch and coming up with my own rankings, I'd have Ovechkin immediately after Hull (the top two scoring wingers of all time, imo), and Lidstrom immediately after Bourque (both above Harvey). I've realized that I tend to place significant value on longevity and sustained, consistent excellence when ranking players. As I read through the discussion in the 1st round and did more research, I became convinced that Howe > Orr which was a change from my earlier thought process.

Regardless, I'm interested in learning more about Morenz and Shore, and fleshing out the Roy vs. Hasek debate

 

[Captain Bowie]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Bobby Hull	59/60-68/69	679	800	1.18
Gordie Howe	59/60-68/69	702	782	1.11	102.30%
Stan Mikita	59/60-68/69	694	767	1.11	104.30%
Norm Ullman	59/60-68/69	695	673	0.97	118.90%
Jean Beliveau	59/60-68/69	615	658	1.07	121.60%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[BenchBrawl]

You are not alone.

The board is schizophrenic currently.Unworkable.

 

[The Macho King]

i'd have richard an easy #1 for je ne sais quoi, with a really good debate between morenz, beliveau, and roy for #2.

ray bourque would be my clear last on that list, because with bourque i know exactly what

Bourque is part of the greatest moment in hockey history to me... I can't ignore that.

 

[Captain Bowie]

So I have to copy it into Excel first, which I only have access to at work, and then can paste it into here. Cannot copy it straight from Google Sheets.

 

[The Macho King]

If your funerals draw 50 000 people, you have a bloody impressive starpower.

I like stars that don't die, okay?

 

[Captain Bowie]

You should be able to highlight and copy what you have in Excel, then paste it here. It works fine for me. You lose any text formatting (bold, italic, underline) in the process. You also should format the numbers before copying them (ie "10.1" instead of "10.085949393"), because numbers are copied over as is.

It's not excel, it's google sheets so it doesn't always copy over into other programs the same.

Test:

Player Seasons Games Points PPG Margin
Bobby Hull 59/60-68/69 679 800 1.18
Gordie Howe 59/60-68/69 702 782 1.11 102.3%
Stan Mikita 59/60-68/69 694 767 1.11 104.3%
Norm Ullman 59/60-68/69 695 673 0.97 118.9%
Jean Beliveau 59/60-68/69 615 658 1.07 121.6%

Test #2:

Player Seasons Games Points PPG Margin Bobby Hull 59/60-68/69 679 800 1.18 Gordie Howe 59/60-68/69 702 782 1.11 102.3% Stan Mikita 59/60-68/69 694 767 1.11 104.3% Norm Ullman 59/60-68/69 695 673 0.97 118.9% Jean Beliveau 59/60-68/69 615 658 1.07 121.6%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Captain Bowie]

Quoting issues, editing issues, posts appearing out of order... This board is effed right now.

 

[bobholly39]

Shouldn't Morenz, in his time often referred to as the "Babe Ruth of hockey", be higher on a list like this?

He says he wasn't ranking within the groups - just separating those guys within 3 groups.

Unless you think Morenz belongs in a group all by himself above everyone else in this list? I don't see that at all tbh though

 

[MXD]

I like stars that don't die, okay?

Shut up, you're already dead.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Briefly, why I currently have Richard and Beliveau over Harvey:

1. Star power. Reading contemporary opinions, Beliveau and Richard just had more of it. Especially Richard.
2. Harvey's prime almost perfectly coincides with playing for the most stacked team of all-time in the 1950s. While Richard did serious damage as the primary star on a top-heavy team in the late 1940s, and Beliveau starred (along with Henri Richard) on the 1960s dynasty. Counterarguments to this point would be that Harvey was 2nd in Hart voting in his only good season after being traded to the Rangers, and that Henri Richard was at least as important as Beliveau to the 1960s dynasty.

I agree with the conclusion that Richard and Béliveau should be ranked above Doug Harvey based on star power, but your 2nd point could be considered a plus for Harvey.He was the one at his absolute best, so he was the top candidate to be the straw that stirred the drink of five consecutive championships.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

He says he wasn't ranking within the groups - just separating those guys within 3 groups.

Yeah, I just now saw that. I'd probably have Morenz and Richard as the top 2 in terms of star power but they're close enough that grouping them all in one tier seems fair.

 

[The Macho King]

Shut up, you're already dead.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Been waiting along time to be able to push for him for 5th place..

Yeah, this project shouldn't really be about pushing players. I'm here to learn, are you?

The person whose list changes the most from round 1 to round 2 has probably won the project (learnt the most), not the one who convinces anyone else.

i'm pretty sure there's only one person here concerned with "winning" this project and you're responding to him right now.

 

[Captain Bowie]

OK, let's see if this works.

Tables represent how much players outscored their contemporaries (or didn't) by during their primes. Tried to find their best stretch of 5-20 years relative to their peers. For Crosby, I included the entire span of 06/07-16/17, but with and without the injury riddled years of 10/11-12/13 because no other player missed such a number of games right in the middle of what would be their prime/peak.

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Bobby Hull	59/60-68/69	679	800	1.18
Gordie Howe	59/60-68/69	702	782	1.11	102.30%
Stan Mikita	59/60-68/69	694	767	1.11	104.30%
Norm Ullman	59/60-68/69	695	673	0.97	118.90%
Jean Beliveau	59/60-68/69	615	658	1.07	121.60%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Jean Beliveau	54/55-60/61	457	559	1.22
Gordie Howe	54/55-60/61	472	530	1.12	105.50%
Andy Bathgate	54/55-60/61	485	500	1.03	111.80%
Bernie Geoffrion	54/55-60/61	394	459	1.16	121.80%
Dickie Moore	54/55-60/61	466	456	0.98	122.60%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Maurice Richard	44/45-54/55	662	661	1
Gordie Howe	46/47-54/55	572	581	1.02	113.80%
Ted Lindsay	44/45-54/55	656	565	0.86	117.00%
Ted Kennedy	44/45-54/55	615	488	0.79	135.50%
Elmer Lach	44/45-53/54	527	471	0.89	140.30%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Sidney Crosby	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	602	766	1.27
Alex Ovechkin	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	635	723	1.14	105.90%
Joe Thornton	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	646	658	1.02	116.40%
Evgeni Malkin	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	557	653	1.17	117.30%
Ryan Getzlaf	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	611	593	0.97	129.20%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Sidney Crosby	06/07-16/17	701	925	1.32
Alex Ovechkin	06/07-16/17	840	929	1.11	99.60%
Joe Thornton	06/07-16/17	856	845	0.99	109.50%
Evgeni Malkin	06/07-16/17	706	832	1.18	111.20%
Henrik Sedin	06/07-16/17	848	799	0.94	115.80%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Howie Morenz	24/25-31/32	321	328	1.02
Nels Stewart	25/26-31/32	288	253	0.88	129.60%
Aurele Joliat	24/25-31/32	324	248	0.77	132.30%
Bill Cook	26/27-31/32	266	232	0.87	141.40%
Frank Boucher	26/27-31/32	266	226	0.85	145.10%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Ray Bourque	81/82-95/96	1081	1192	1.1
Paul Coffey	81/82-95/96	1080	1378	1.28	86.50%
Phil Housley	81/82-95/96	990	950	0.96	125.50%
Larry Murphy	81/82-95/96	1154	931	0.81	128.00%
Al MacInnis	81/82-95/96	917	911	0.99	130.80%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Doug Harvey	51/52-60/61	660	370	0.56
Bill Gadsby	51/52-60/61	672	364	0.54	101.60%
Red Kelly*	51/52-59/60	605	353	0.58	104.80%
Allan Stanley	51/52-60/61	584	234	0.4	158.10%
Marcel Pronovost	51/52-60/61	672	223	0.33	165.90%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Eddie Shore	26/27-34/35	380	218	0.57
King Clancy	26/27-34/35	403	204	0.51	106.90%
Dit Clapper	26/27-34/35	313	196	0.63	111.20%
Ebbie Goodfellow	26/27-34/35	273	195	0.71	111.80%
Babe Siebert	26/27-34/35	389	188	0.48	116.00%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[BenchBrawl]

Reminder everyone

Think twice before posting.Imagine a reader 3 years in the future; will your post help him in any way? If not, better wait.

(I target myself as much as everyone else with this comment)

mod please delete that post in a couple of hours

 

[bobholly39]

His peak is pretty ordinary. His most impressive season is 13-14, where he outscored #2 by 17 points (so like... 15% over #2?). His other Art Ross was by 6 points and there were a good number of 100 point scorers that season.

He has a similar (but different) issue to Mario. He just missed a lot of chunks of seasons. I'm not going to credit him with hypothetical Art Ross trophies, especially when those seasons he also missed significant time in the playoffs. At the end of the day we have a guy with 2 Harts, 2 Ross trophies, 2 Rockets, and 2 Smythes, and then a lot of good partial seasons.

I don't know - he's a tough guy to place because I really think ten years from now we're going to wonder why we didn't rate Ovi higher. Best player post-lockout - I'll give him that edge over Ovi, but man his durability is a significant mark against him. I just don't see how you can reasonably place him #5 considering that, when guys like Beliveau and Bobby have better trophy cases and far better durability.

Crosby's trophy case is better than Beliveau's - unless you're counting cups.

In terms of durability - the fact that Crosby started out of the gate at 18 is a big plus in his favor. Very few players manage that. Beliveau didn't enter the league full time until his age 22-23 season. I think this helps to counter any lack of longevity vs Beliveau. Beliveau still overtakes him in the long run (played till age 39) - but Crosby's potential superior prime has a case to overtake some of those extra years at ages 35+ for Beliveau. It warrants a closer look.

Also - I wouldn't exactly call Crosby not durable. Mario was much moreso in the last round, with a ton of partial seasons. Crosby is more a case of a few significant issues that made him miss a lot of time some time during 2 seasons (2011 and 2012) - but outside of that mostly full seasons.

14. Crosby. Knew it was coming. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Can you explain why? Is it an anti-active player bias? If so i'd love for you to explain your reasoning, because i'm hoping people don't vote that way unless it's justified.

 

[The Macho King]

So "starpower" as a metric (at least a determinative metric), and why I really don't like it.

Of all of the fuzzy metrics (awards voting, eye-test, etc.), this just seems the fuzziest. It seems akin to me ranking Subban over Hedman because I see Subban on commercials constantly while Hedman will never have the same thing. It benefits certain franchises over others (either because their team is having sustained success or simply the market they're playing in). Add in to that, with guys like Richard and Beliveau, you get a very strong nationalist vibe behind their popularity.

Starpower relies so much on personality rather than any hockey-based metric. I can't take it seriously as a basis for ranking.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

One of the reasons I'm not voting in this is because the farther back you go, the less likely I am to know or fully appreciate things like this. So, for those out there like me, could you elaborate a bit on what it meant to trounce the field in 1956? Are we talking best peak year of all time outside of the Big 4? A peak year that might compare to one of the Big 4's best? Or are there other players currently up for voting who might have a better season, just not the rest of Beliveau's resume?

To put it another way, if one were solely to look at peak, how high does Beliveau rank?

It's not exactly a scientific term, but I used it to mean that it was a season where there's no reasonable argument that there was anybody better in the league. In 1956, Beliveau decisively led the NHL in goals (with 47; Howe and Richard had 38) and points (he had 88; Howe had 79; two other Canadiens had 71 and 70; the closest non-Howe non-teammate was Bathgate, with a distant 66 points). That spring, he helped the Habs win the Stanley Cup (and likely would have won the Conn Smythe had it existed). He scored 12 goals (tying Richard's record from the talent-depleted WWII years) in 10 games; nobody else on his team had more than five. He also added 19 points (one short of Howe's single-playoff record - but accomplished in one fewer game). The Hart voting was done in two stages and he was the only player in the league he was among the leaders during both stages. He was a year-end all-star at centre unanimously (a very rare occurrence - I think that only happened five times during all of the Original Six era).

The biggest knock against Beliveau is he really only had one transcendent season. But if we're talking about best single seasons, regular season and playoffs combined, Beliveau's 1955-56 campaign is easily in the top ten, perhaps even the top five.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Just like last round, I feel like Ray Bourque stands in two bad ways:

1) Lower star power compared to the group
2) Lower playoff performances compared to (most) of the group (perhaps more debatable this time though)

The same is true of Dominik Hasek, so as of now both are at the bottom of my list.

Missing one is forgivable, missing both is not.I use ''missing'' in relative terms.

 

[bobholly39]

OK, let's see if this works.

Tables represent how much players outscored their contemporaries (or didn't) by during their primes. Tried to find their best stretch of 5-20 years relative to their peers. For Crosby, I included the entire span of 06/07-16/17, but with and without the injury riddled years of 10/11-12/13 because no other player missed such a number of games right in the middle of what would be their prime/peak.

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Bobby Hull	59/60-68/69	679	800	1.18
Gordie Howe	59/60-68/69	702	782	1.11	102.30%
Stan Mikita	59/60-68/69	694	767	1.11	104.30%
Norm Ullman	59/60-68/69	695	673	0.97	118.90%
Jean Beliveau	59/60-68/69	615	658	1.07	121.60%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Jean Beliveau	54/55-60/61	457	559	1.22
Gordie Howe	54/55-60/61	472	530	1.12	105.50%
Andy Bathgate	54/55-60/61	485	500	1.03	111.80%
Bernie Geoffrion	54/55-60/61	394	459	1.16	121.80%
Dickie Moore	54/55-60/61	466	456	0.98	122.60%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Maurice Richard	44/45-54/55	662	661	1
Gordie Howe	46/47-54/55	572	581	1.02	113.80%
Ted Lindsay	44/45-54/55	656	565	0.86	117.00%
Ted Kennedy	44/45-54/55	615	488	0.79	135.50%
Elmer Lach	44/45-53/54	527	471	0.89	140.30%

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Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Sidney Crosby	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	602	766	1.27
Alex Ovechkin	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	635	723	1.14	105.90%
Joe Thornton	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	646	658	1.02	116.40%
Evgeni Malkin	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	557	653	1.17	117.30%
Ryan Getzlaf	06/07-09/10, 13/14-16/17	611	593	0.97	129.20%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Sidney Crosby	06/07-16/17	701	925	1.32
Alex Ovechkin	06/07-16/17	840	929	1.11	99.60%
Joe Thornton	06/07-16/17	856	845	0.99	109.50%
Evgeni Malkin	06/07-16/17	706	832	1.18	111.20%
Henrik Sedin	06/07-16/17	848	799	0.94	115.80%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Howie Morenz	24/25-31/32	321	328	1.02
Nels Stewart	25/26-31/32	288	253	0.88	129.60%
Aurele Joliat	24/25-31/32	324	248	0.77	132.30%
Bill Cook	26/27-31/32	266	232	0.87	141.40%
Frank Boucher	26/27-31/32	266	226	0.85	145.10%

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Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Ray Bourque	81/82-95/96	1081	1192	1.1
Paul Coffey	81/82-95/96	1080	1378	1.28	86.50%
Phil Housley	81/82-95/96	990	950	0.96	125.50%
Larry Murphy	81/82-95/96	1154	931	0.81	128.00%
Al MacInnis	81/82-95/96	917	911	0.99	130.80%

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Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Doug Harvey	51/52-60/61	660	370	0.56
Bill Gadsby	51/52-60/61	672	364	0.54	101.60%
Red Kelly*	51/52-59/60	605	353	0.58	104.80%
Allan Stanley	51/52-60/61	584	234	0.4	158.10%
Marcel Pronovost	51/52-60/61	672	223	0.33	165.90%

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Player	Seasons	Games	Points	PPG	Margin
Eddie Shore	26/27-34/35	380	218	0.57
King Clancy	26/27-34/35	403	204	0.51	106.90%
Dit Clapper	26/27-34/35	313	196	0.63	111.20%
Ebbie Goodfellow	26/27-34/35	273	195	0.71	111.80%
Babe Siebert	26/27-34/35	389	188	0.48	116.00%

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Is it possible for you to easily add a column in terms of PPG margins too? I'd love to see that if so.