I finally got Red Kelly into my spreadsheet, so I can present to you the numbers that some people have indicated that they want. I'm not going to be making much of an argument, though I will be pointing out some of the highlights after the tables. I'm simply going to present the numbers, and hopefully let them lead to some discussion.
Some posters have said that they didn't like just the team splits in isolation, that they wanted multiple players over the same time period, so this is my attempt to provide that information. I chose the time period of 46-47 through 58-59 to highlight Bill Gadsby's prime. Because Red Kelly switched from D to C after he got traded in 59-60, I decided to exclude that year. I tried to find a fourth player to show, to go along with Red Kelly, Doug Harvey, and Bill Gadsby, but those three really were a triumvirate. Over the time period of 46-47 through 58-59, they were basically 150 points better than the nearest competition. Jimmy Thomson, Bill Quackenbush and Allen Stanley were the only other defensemen to break 200 points. On a per-game basis, Hy Buller actually was the closest, but unfortunately he only played three full seasons. Ken Reardon and Pierre Pilote also had good per-game numbers, but Reardon only played during the beginning, and Pilote the end.
Without further ado, here are the tables:
Bill Gadsby | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
46-47 to 58-59 | | | | Away | | | | | Home | | | | | Total |
| Games | Goals | Assists | Points | | Games | Goals | Assists | Points | | Games | Goals | Assists | Points |
BOS | 79 | 7 | 36 | 43 | | 80 | 12 | 29 | 41 | | 159 | 19 | 65 | 84 |
CHI | 32 | 2 | 17 | 19 | | 32 | 8 | 28 | 36 | | 64 | 10 | 45 | 55 |
DET | 79 | 5 | 25 | 30 | | 78 | 8 | 25 | 33 | | 157 | 13 | 50 | 63 |
MTL | 79 | 11 | 15 | 26 | | 80 | 12 | 28 | 40 | | 159 | 23 | 43 | 66 |
NYR | 48 | 5 | 19 | 24 | | 48 | 1 | 23 | 24 | | 96 | 6 | 42 | 48 |
TOR | 82 | 9 | 17 | 26 | | 78 | 14 | 34 | 48 | | 160 | 23 | 51 | 74 |
Total | 399 | 39 | 129 | 168 | | 396 | 55 | 167 | 222 | | 795 | 94 | 296 | 390 |
Per Game | | 0.098 | 0.323 | 0.421 | | | 0.139 | 0.422 | 0.561 | | | 0.118 | 0.372 | 0.491 |
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Totals | 795 | 94 | 296 | 390 | | | | | CHI | | 468 | 54 | 132 | 186 |
| 795 | 94 | 296 | 390 | | | | | NYR | | 327 | 40 | 164 | 204 |
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Red Kelly | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
47-48 to 58-59 | | | | Away | | | | | Home | | | | | Total |
| Games | Goals | Assists | Points | | Games | Goals | Assists | Points | | Games | Goals | Assists | Points |
BOS | 77 | 12 | 18 | 30 | | 80 | 16 | 38 | 54 | | 157 | 28 | 56 | 84 |
CHI | 80 | 11 | 38 | 49 | | 82 | 21 | 43 | 64 | | 162 | 32 | 81 | 113 |
DET | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
MTL | 79 | 17 | 23 | 40 | | 80 | 18 | 32 | 50 | | 159 | 35 | 55 | 90 |
NYR | 80 | 15 | 27 | 42 | | 79 | 17 | 27 | 44 | | 159 | 32 | 54 | 86 |
TOR | 79 | 15 | 22 | 37 | | 80 | 14 | 30 | 44 | | 159 | 29 | 52 | 81 |
Total | 395 | 70 | 128 | 198 | | 401 | 86 | 170 | 256 | | 796 | 156 | 298 | 454 |
Per Game | | 0.177 | 0.324 | 0.501 | | | 0.214 | 0.424 | 0.638 | | | 0.196 | 0.374 | 0.570 |
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Totals | 796 | 156 | 298 | 454 | | | | | | | | | | |
| 796 | 156 | 298 | 454 | | | | | | | | | | |
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Doug Harvey | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
47-48 to 58-59 | | | | Away | | | | | Home | | | | | Total |
| Games | Goals | Assists | Points | | Games | Goals | Assists | Points | | Games | Goals | Assists | Points |
BOS | 79 | 1 | 24 | 25 | | 78 | 6 | 29 | 35 | | 157 | 7 | 53 | 60 |
CHI | 76 | 7 | 27 | 34 | | 71 | 11 | 40 | 51 | | 147 | 18 | 67 | 85 |
DET | 77 | 4 | 18 | 22 | | 76 | 9 | 28 | 37 | | 153 | 13 | 46 | 59 |
MTL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
NYR | 77 | 10 | 39 | 49 | | 79 | 9 | 50 | 59 | | 156 | 19 | 89 | 108 |
TOR | 78 | 1 | 22 | 23 | | 75 | 6 | 40 | 46 | | 153 | 7 | 62 | 69 |
Total | 387 | 23 | 130 | 153 | | 379 | 41 | 187 | 228 | | 766 | 64 | 317 | 381 |
Per Game | | 0.059 | 0.336 | 0.395 | | | 0.108 | 0.493 | 0.602 | | | 0.084 | 0.414 | 0.497 |
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Totals | 766 | 64 | 317 | 381 | | | | | | | | | | |
| 766 | 64 | 317 | 381 | | | | | | | | | | |
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A nice side effect of this sample size is that home and away break down into nearly per 82 games, so you can kinda guesstimate their production without having to do any math. Also, in terms of divvying up their goals, Gadsby breaks down to 64 EV, 25 PP, and 5 SH, Kelly to 97/48/11, and Harvey to 42/19/3. In any case, here are their numbers expressed in a per game format.
Gadsby | | GPG | APG | PPG | | Kelly | | GPG | APG | PPG | | Harvey | | GPG | APG | PPG |
BOS | | 0.119 | 0.409 | 0.528 | | BOS | | 0.178 | 0.357 | 0.535 | | BOS | | 0.045 | 0.338 | 0.382 |
CHI | | 0.156 | 0.703 | 0.859 | | CHI | | 0.198 | 0.500 | 0.698 | | CHI | | 0.122 | 0.456 | 0.578 |
DET | | 0.083 | 0.318 | 0.401 | | DET | | | | | | DET | | 0.085 | 0.301 | 0.386 |
MTL | | 0.145 | 0.270 | 0.415 | | MTL | | 0.220 | 0.346 | 0.566 | | MTL | | | | |
NYR | | 0.063 | 0.438 | 0.500 | | NYR | | 0.201 | 0.340 | 0.541 | | NYR | | 0.122 | 0.571 | 0.692 |
TOR | | 0.144 | 0.319 | 0.463 | | TOR | | 0.182 | 0.327 | 0.509 | | TOR | | 0.046 | 0.405 | 0.451 |
795 | | 0.118 | 0.372 | 0.491 | | 796 | | 0.196 | 0.374 | 0.570 | | 766 | | 0.084 | 0.414 | 0.497 |
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For Gadsby, I'd like to draw your attention to his Chicago numbers. They represent 55 of his 204 points as a Ranger. Red Kelly had 42 of his 182 points, while Doug Harvey had 36 of his 204 for that 54-55 to 58-59 time period. I'd also like to point out how both Gadsby and Harvey struggled individually against Detroit, while Red Kelly had no such issues against their teams. Finally, I'd like to point out Doug Harvey's outlier assist numbers versus the Rangers. His performance in 58-59 finally brought his APG number down below his Chicago PPG - prior to that year his assists per game against the Rangers were higher than his points per game against every other team.
I think I've covered the numbers I wanted to cover. One of the only aspects I thought about including, but didn't, was separating Gadsby's splits into his Chicago and New York stints. If I had, I probably would have needed to include both Kelly and Harvey's splits for that 54-55 to 58-59 period, and this post would've gotten even more cluttered than it already is. Anyways, time to post this and go to bed, I hope this proves helpful and I can find another set of circumstances where I can do this for a different player.