Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Preliminary Discussion Thread (The Sequel)

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  1. quoipourquoi Goaltender

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    • Eligibility
      • Players will be judged only on their performance as hockey players
      • Currently active players are eligible, but will be judged only on what they have already accomplished
      • No, I don’t know what to do with Connor McDavid either
    • Preliminary Discussion Thread
      • Anyone may participate in this thread, even if he or she does not intend to take part in the voting round
      • Posters are encouraged to share information about players in this thread and to take information shared into account when constructing their own lists
      • For instance, did you know Roy McGiffin was in the fruit business during the off-season? Not that I am implying that he should be ranked on the viability of his Californian fruit
      • Brief comparisons between players are permitted, but detailed cases and debates should be saved for the voting round
      • Please do not rank players outright in the preliminary thread
    • Voting
      • Round 1
        • All participants submit a list of 120 players ranked in order, with all positions included
        • All eras are to be considered
        • To make it easier to aggregate the submitted lists, please list players using their most commonly used name; e.g. Tim Thomas, not Timothy Thomas Jr.; Justin Williams, not Justinus Septum Williams
        • Lists may be submitted via PM to quoipourquoi
        • Deadline for list submission is September 30
        • Players will be assigned a point value on each list based on ranking. A 1st-place vote is equal to 120 points. A 2nd-place vote is equal to 119 points. A 120th-place vote is equal to 1 point.
        • An aggregate list will be compiled ranking them in order of the most total points
        • Participants must submit a list in Round 1 to be eligible to vote in Round 2
      • Round 2
        • The top-10 ranked players from the aggregate list will be posted in a thread
        • Players will be listed in alphabetical order to avoid creating bias
        • Player merits and rankings will be open for discussion and debate for a period of five days. Administrators may extend the discussion period if it remains active
        • Final voting will occur for two days via PM. A 1st-Place vote is equal to 10 points. A 2nd-Place vote is equal to 9 points. A 10th-Place vote is equal to 1 point.
        • The top-5 players will be added to the final list, unless people start booing because of a clear break in voting after the top-4 players, at which point we might agree to hold someone back for the next round because I easily succumb to peer pressure and will go along with whatever you want
        • The exception is in Vote 1 in which only 4 players (#1-4) will be added and in Vote 21 in which only 1 player will be added (#100) because we like to do things arbitrarily for dramatic effect
        • The process repeats until we have a list of 100 players
        • Failure to retain an acceptable level of discussion may lead to an abbreviated list of no fewer than 25 players
    • Quality Assurance
      • Lists will be subject to an evaluation process
      • This is not meant to deter participation; we merely want to ensure that voters are considering all eras of hockey's history
      • The complete voting record of every participant will be released at the end of the project
      • Any attempts to derail a discussion thread with disrespect to old-time hockey will be met with frontier justice
      • We encourage interpositional discussion (forward vs. defenseman vs. goaltender) as opposed to the safer and somewhat redundant intrapositional debates. Overemphasizing a tired single-position argument like, I don’t know, Harvey/Lidstrom, will only be briefly tolerated before one is asked to move on to a less tedious comparison.
      • Take a drink when someone mentions the number of hockey registrations in a given era
      • Finish your drink when someone mentions that goaltenders cannot be compared to skaters
     
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  2. quoipourquoi Goaltender

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    Love this teaser.

    10. Eddie Shore
    20. Red Kelly
    30. Martin Brodeur
    40. Larry Robinson
    50. Marcel Dionne
     
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    Wonder how many participants there will be. Judging from the first thread there's a LOT of people looking to participate, which would be great. The larger the sample the better the results.

    Spoiler alert - Gretzky will be ranked #1.
     
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    I'd take his 5 over your 5. I don't know if that's a good thing, or a bad thing...
     
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  5. ResilientBeast ATD Draft Czar

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    10. Patrick Roy
    20. Bobby Clarke
    30. Joe Sakic
    40. Ted Lindsay
    50. Henri Richard
     
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    I'm such a trendsetter.
     
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  7. DannyGallivan Your world frightens and confuses me

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    As of now:

    1. Bobby Orr
    10. Howie Morenz
    20 Sergei Makarov
    30. Bryan Trottier
    40. Peter Forsberg
    50. Bill Durnan
     
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    I have Shore higher, Kelly lower, Brodeur higher, Robinson higher, Dionne higher.
     
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    I have Roy lower, Clarke lower, Lindsay higher, Richard lower.
     
  10. ResilientBeast ATD Draft Czar

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    Just so I don't misinterpret by lower you mean closer to 100?
     
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    Sedinery's

    1. Duh
    10. Patrick Roy
    20. Jacques Plante
    30. Denis Potvin
    40. Bryan Trottier
    50. Evgeni Malkin

    I have Duh lower, Roy lower, Plante lower, Potvin higher, Trottier higher, Malkin higher.
     
  12. DannyGallivan Your world frightens and confuses me

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    No, just lower than on your list (could be one lower, could be 50 lower...:) )
    Yes, closer to 100 (I see what you mean).
     
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  13. quoipourquoi Goaltender

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    Haha!

    I wonder who drops more spots: Henri Richard from ResilientBeast’s list to yours or Sergei Makarov from your list to mine. :laugh:
     
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    I've got Brodeur even higher than you do now :laugh:
     
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    Hey, I'm going to tinker right up until deadline. Who knows what it will look like then (although the top 18-20 are pretty well set).
     
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    Teaser

    1.Gordie Howe
    2.Wayne Gretzky
    3.Bobby Orr
    4.Mario Lemieux

    Honestly my list is not fixed enough yet to tell you my exact 30th or 50th or whatever.
     
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    1. Gretzky
    10. Harvey
    20. Espo
    30. Bossy
    40. Park
    50. Dionne
     
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    I certainly realized that I was much lower on all the Islanders players than everyone else. This is going to require some analysis, I want to make sure I don't hold a subconscious grudge from 1982, when I was 6 years from being born.
     
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    GAH somehow I missed Lindsay on my list.

    My 5-10 could shift around a bit. I never got comfortable saying who the fifth best player of all time was because I think there are a lot of guys with great arguments.
     
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    Definitely subject to change...

    1. 99
    10. Bourque
    20. Potvin
    30. Trottier
    40. Dryden
    50. Firsov
     
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    in my experience (ftr, i hadn't had my first birthday yet when we beat chicago in the campbell's finals), canucks fans tend to overrate bossy because he destroyed king richard after king richard looked unbeatable for three rounds.
     
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    Yes, somehow #5 is the hardest spot to place on the entire list.
     
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    Agreed, that and 102. But I've committed to my top ten so nothing will change it.
     
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    1 - Wayne Gretzky
    10 - Dominik Hasek
    20 - Denis Potvin
    30 - Slava Fetisov
    40 - Bryan Trottier
    50 - François Xavier Boucher

    So far, out of 50 :
    9 G
    14D
    15C
    11W
    ... And Red Kelly.
     
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  25. BenchBrawl joueur de hockey

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    Glad to see Potvin that high.
     
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