GlitchMarner
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Oh, Hossa will be in the Hall of Fame. He has good enough numbers for it and it'll help him that he's won three Cups (seriously, Gillies and Anderson aren't better than Hossa).
Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Preliminary Discussion Thread (Citizens on Patrol)
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Oh, Hossa will be in the Hall of Fame. He has good enough numbers for it and it'll help him that he's won three Cups (seriously, Gillies and Anderson aren't better than Hossa).
ChiTownPhilly
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Not long after I wrote Hossa's name down on my paper, my personal electronic device displayed a Homerism Alert Warning. I took the appropriate action in light of that caution.
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I just sent in my list.
Just to make sure we're being consistent, everyone is typing it as "Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis Iginla", right? (*ducks*)
Just to make sure we're being consistent, everyone is typing it as "Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis Iginla", right? (*ducks*)
VanIslander
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Jarome "Big Tree"
(the meaning of his last name in his father's Nigerian language)
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seventieslord
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Yeah, if you look at the actual opponents he kinda feasted on Dawson and some other semi-suspect teams (Brandon). A player on his own team that shows up well against tougher opponents is Harry Westwick. McGee wasn't bad against better teams though.
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My underrated players from this era (off the top of my head) is Jack Walker, Harry Cameron and Harry Westwick.
Players from the same era I would consider a bit overrated is Hod Stuart, Eddie Gerard and (to a certain extent) Sprague Cleghorn. Doesn't mean those players were bad or didn't make some difference for their teams though.
Walker and Westwick were the preeminent defensive conscience players in the 7 man game, outside of the offensive center position (rover or winger). Nighbor also brought this type of game to the center position (he kind of had to because the NHA abandoned the 7 man game well earlier than the PCHA, so there was no extra guy there to clean up behind you if you were going full throttle offense). McGee had Westwick and Bowie had Blair Russel.
Hod Stuart's value is a bit dubious to me. He hopped a lot of teams and when he finally won a Cup with the Wanderers he doesn't seem to have been a very decisive player. Let's just say this team won several Cups without him. I don't even know if he was a better player than his younger brother, to be honest. Or better than Moose Johnson.
Players from the same era I would consider a bit overrated is Hod Stuart, Eddie Gerard and (to a certain extent) Sprague Cleghorn. Doesn't mean those players were bad or didn't make some difference for their teams though.
Walker and Westwick were the preeminent defensive conscience players in the 7 man game, outside of the offensive center position (rover or winger). Nighbor also brought this type of game to the center position (he kind of had to because the NHA abandoned the 7 man game well earlier than the PCHA, so there was no extra guy there to clean up behind you if you were going full throttle offense). McGee had Westwick and Bowie had Blair Russel.
Hod Stuart's value is a bit dubious to me. He hopped a lot of teams and when he finally won a Cup with the Wanderers he doesn't seem to have been a very decisive player. Let's just say this team won several Cups without him. I don't even know if he was a better player than his younger brother, to be honest. Or better than Moose Johnson.
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HHOFer Tommy Phillips.
Phillips was deemed the best defensive forward 1900-1909 by Ultimate Hockey. The Hockey News came out with a greatest non-NHLers ever line-up and at wing had Phillips. Art Ross - HHOF player and coach/GM of the original Boston team he himself named the 'Bruins' - Ross said Phillips was the best player he's ever seen. Lester Patrick had him on his all-time greatest starting lineup. There are countless references to his defensive play. Really guys, check out the master bio link on the ATD subboard to find plenty of specific quotes about alltime great players.
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ChiTownPhilly
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A transcription error (caught in time, praise the Hockey Gods!) nearly resulted in player ranked 22 overall being omitted from my list. That would have been... bad.
A transcription error (caught in time, praise the Hockey Gods!) nearly resulted in player ranked 22 overall being omitted from my list. That would have been... bad.
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Let's play a blame game...
The 1960 thru, say, 1976 or so Chicago Blackhawks collected just one Stanley Cup.
Who do you point the finger at, in order of fingers used to point, for their apparent lack of playoff success...?
A) Glenn Hall
B) Bobby Hull
C) Stan Mikita
D) Pierre Pilote
E) Pilous/Reay (coaching)
F) The field
My personal feeling is that I would not be pointing at Hull or Pilote at all in this scenario...Mikita and Hall are a different story...but I'd be interested in hearing some thoughts...
The 1960 thru, say, 1976 or so Chicago Blackhawks collected just one Stanley Cup.
Who do you point the finger at, in order of fingers used to point, for their apparent lack of playoff success...?
A) Glenn Hall
B) Bobby Hull
C) Stan Mikita
D) Pierre Pilote
E) Pilous/Reay (coaching)
F) The field
My personal feeling is that I would not be pointing at Hull or Pilote at all in this scenario...Mikita and Hall are a different story...but I'd be interested in hearing some thoughts...
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Overall ownership responsibility and management.
1961 after winning SC let 4 key support players leave - Litzenberger(captain), Sloan,Arbour, Earl Belfour leave while losing Vic Hadfield in the draft.
Litzenberger and Arbour became contributors to the Toronto dynasty, Arbour a key piece in St.Louis. Players they kept/acquired were inadequate.
Traded good young talent - Doug Barkley, Roger Crozier for spare parts next two seasons.
Lost Bobby Hull in 1972 to the WHA yet went to the finals in 1973.
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Just wondering if we are suppose to get confirmation of our lists being received.
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I'm not quite familiar enough with them (as in, I never saw them play), but my reading has pretty much always been the following :
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quoipourquoi
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I got it. We’re up to 9 lists so far. I’ll probably send this set to the screeners today and the final set just after the deadline.
EDIT: ...actually, I should probably wait for most of the screeners to finish.
TheDevilMadeMe
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That's taking it to the extreme. There's a good chance Hod fails to make my final list, but you'd have to completely ignore everything that everyone who watched these guys play said in order to doubt whether Hod was better than his brother.
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I guess that's possible, but when I read some of that praise I get the feeling Hod was the original size fetish player. Sometimes you need to read between the lines.
TheDevilMadeMe
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I guess that's possible, but when I read some of that praise I get the feeling Hod was the original size fetish player. Sometimes you need to read between the lines.
Perhaps there was a size fetish aspect of it, but Hod's brother was just as big
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