Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Preliminary Discussion Thread (Citizens on Patrol)

[unknown33]

Waited years for this project and missed the deadline... so 2028 it is.

It was by position. So I had something like

D : Orr, Harvey, Bourque, Lidstrom (...)
W : Howe, Hull, Richard, Jagr (...)
C : Gretzky, Lemieux, Beliveau, Crosby (...)
G : Roy, Hasek, Plante, Brodeur (...)

1 - Who is the best between Orr, Howe, Greztky and Roy? Greztky
2 - Who is the best between Orr, Howe, Lemieux and Roy? Orr
3 - Who is the best between Harvey, Howe, Lemieux and Roy? Howe
4 - Who is the best between Harvey, Hull, Lemieux and Roy? Lemieux

(up until 120).

Probably not the best way to do it, but possibly the best way to not get completely mad around mid-point, and should've been foolproof against omissions (Joliat missing was a C+P gone wrong)

That's for the process.

I would have done it like that/I did an overall A-T list with this process.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Waited years for this project and missed the deadline... so 2028 it is.

I would have done it like that/I did an overall A-T list with this process.

Depending on where they are in the process, maybe they still have time to process your list. I hope so; it would be good to have you aboard.

PM @quoipourquoi

 

[RedWingzz]

I'm curious, did Datsyuk make most people's top 100 list? I think he absolutely belongs on the list, but I'm very biased.

 

[Sentinel]

I'm curious, did Datsyuk make most people's top 100 list? I think he absolutely belongs on the list, but I'm very biased.

Made mine. And pretty high on my list too. A very unique and special player.

 

[The Macho King]

I'm curious, did Datsyuk make most people's top 100 list? I think he absolutely belongs on the list, but I'm very biased.

Not on mine. Wouldn't even put him very close TBH. Two great peak seasons, two other good prime seasons, but other than that I don't think he moved the needle for me.

His selke-record is a bit overrated. I remember at the time his takeaway numbers were a huge argument in his favor (and in hindsight his possession stats were pretty insane but then that whole team was insane). I don't remember him being a fixture on the PK (although maybe someone remembers differently?) and I always personally considered Z to be the better defender between the two.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I liked this post ^

I also included him late on the list...Zetterberg was a late scratch...

 

[Iceman]

Who was 121st on your list, the very last cut?

Vasiliev

 

[Iceman]

I'm curious, did Datsyuk make most people's top 100 list? I think he absolutely belongs on the list, but I'm very biased.

Did not make mine.

 

[danincanada]

Datsyuk wasn't in the same class as Frank Nighbor, that's for sure. Everyone who has seen both play could attest to that.

 

[Captain Bowie]

Adam Oates and Alex Delvecchio were bumped off the bottom of the list in favour of Norm Ullman and Duncan Keith.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Oates and Delvecchio made my top 100...Ullman is my second to last center, Keith is my last d-man...

 

[Captain Bowie]

Oates and Delvecchio made my top 100...Ullman is my second to last center, Keith is my last d-man...

If Datsyuk is your last C, then our final 5 or so picks are near identical.

 

[RedWingzz]

Not on mine. Wouldn't even put him very close TBH. Two great peak seasons, two other good prime seasons, but other than that I don't think he moved the needle for me.

His selke-record is a bit overrated. I remember at the time his takeaway numbers were a huge argument in his favor (and in hindsight his possession stats were pretty insane but then that whole team was insane). I don't remember him being a fixture on the PK (although maybe someone remembers differently?) and I always personally considered Z to be the better defender between the two.

2 other good prime seasons? This makes no sense lol. He was a point-per game player 8 times. Saying he was only good for 4 years is ridiculous, I'm sorry. You are allowed to not have him on your list, but your analysis is wrong. I'd love to see who you included over him, just to see how these players "prime years" stack up to a guy who was a point per game 8 times.

 

[RedWingzz]

Did not make mine.

Did Lecavalier make yours?

 

[The Macho King]

2 other good prime seasons? This makes no sense lol. He was a point-per game player 8 times. Saying he was only good for 4 years is ridiculous, I'm sorry. You are allowed to not have him on your list, but your analysis is wrong. I'd love to see who you included over him, just to see how these players "prime years" stack up to a guy who was a point per game 8 times.

By my count he has 7, and all but the four mentioned took place in shortened years. And I never said he was "only good for 4 years". But a season where he scores 59 points in 56 games isn't the type of season that is going to move the needle for me on a top 100 players of all-time list.

 

[RedWingzz]

I included the 67 in 70, so you're right, 7 point per game seasons, with a few others close to it.

Regardless, he was a dominant player his entire career. I think your assessment of his prime is off. He didn't really have a prime, because he was always good, and always in his prime. He was a sure-fire top 5 player for over a decade. I think that's good enough for the top 100. I don't mean to attack your opinion, I just don't think you are giving him enough credit. Out of curiosity, who did you have from 91-100?

 

[Captain Bowie]

Did Lecavalier make yours?

I doubt anyone wasted their time considering Vincent Lecavalier for very long, if his name ever came up at all.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I included the 67 in 70, so you're right, 7 point per game seasons, with a few others close to it.

Regardless, he was a dominant player his entire career. I think your assessment of his prime is off. He didn't really have a prime, because he was always good, and always in his prime. He was a sure-fire top 5 player for over a decade. I think that's good enough for the top 100. I don't mean to attack your opinion, I just don't think you are giving him enough credit. Out of curiosity, who did you have from 91-100?

Don't know if you've been following this project along at all or not, but you'd be surprised at the number of quality players that get left off in the end. Some I really hoped I could justify squeezing in (Luongo ) but at the end of the day 120 names for 120 years of hockey history is a tough task.

 

[The Macho King]

I included the 67 in 70, so you're right, 7 point per game seasons, with a few others close to it.

Regardless, he was a dominant player his entire career. I think your assessment of his prime is off. He didn't really have a prime, because he was always good, and always in his prime. He was a sure-fire top 5 player for over a decade. I think that's good enough for the top 100. I don't mean to attack your opinion, I just don't think you are giving him enough credit. Out of curiosity, who did you have from 91-100?

91 - Borje Salming
92 – Teemu Selanne
93 – Martin St. Louis
94 - Serge Savard
95 – Dickie Moore
96 - Scott Stevens
97 - Dave Keon
98 – Jarome Iginla
99 - Charlie Gardiner
100 - Ron Francis

I don't see anyone on that list he's obviously better than, but you're free to disagree.

I doubt anyone wasted their time considering Vincent Lecavalier for very long, if his name ever came up at all.

I don't even think Vinny is HHOF-worthy, forget top 100 players all time worthy. And Vinny is like top 3 favorite player for me.

 

[Michael Farkas]

If Datsyuk is your last C, then our final 5 or so picks are near identical.

Close. It's Patrice Bergeron.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Let’s move over to the new one!