Discussion in 'Hockey Fights' started by lebdafor norris, Jun 4, 2011.
list your top 10 enforcers in the nhl right now.
I read you list, and I immediately thought "Where in the hell is MacIntyre... he's probably the toughest... and should be considered the number one enforcer. Orr, pfft! Stupid list!" But then I read what else you wrote, and I tend to agree with you. I am of the opinion that MacIntyre, more times than not, would 'clean-the-clock' of everyone you listed. But MacIntyre, as you qualify, mainly fights by appointment - hence, it is hard to argue that he is the best enforcer. If he would develop a mean streak he would be down right scary, and immediately jump to the top of your list (which I more or less agree with), but as it stands he is in need of a few lessons from one of the Daves (Semenko or Brown). Cripes, MacIntyre with Brown's temper would be something to behold.
Mac with a meanstreak would be damn scary. If he did what he did with Staubitz a few times a year, he would be top 5 easily. He is a top 2-3 fighter though.
3. Engeland (yes not exactly a heavyweight but boy the guy punches like a rock)
I didn't include Orr cause nobody knows how hes going to handle it, after the concussion, same for Ivanas.
Orr did a great job in the 09-10 season, he was the #1 fighter and best enforcer at that time. But at the beginning of this year he didn't look right. We will just have to wait and see I guess.
just an fyi, Orr was cleared to play last season but they kept him out just in case... hopefully he's back to usual, guy was a beast.
personally... if i were him, i'd retire wouldn't risk my mental health
I disagree with this. MacIntyre is an effective enforcer but he's not a goon or cheapshot artist. He doesn't need to jump players or go flying off the bench to be considered good at his job.
Plus, he didn't even really do anything to Staubitz. All that happened there was Staubitz turtled and MacIntyre decided to not let him off the hook. He didn't jump him or anything like that. He stood at center ice and watched MacIntyre wait for Paajarvi to get off the ice.
Rarely does anything dirty happen when MacIntyre's in the line up and that should be a huge sign that he's good at his job. There was the Avery sucker punch on Smid but he couldn't do anything about that because he was already in the box after fighting Boogaard for a second time that night and Avery was ejected from the game.
You can bet Avery was damn happy after that you don't want an angry Bigmac looking after you...
I'm not sure if MacIntyre took his number but Theo Peckham did. He was ready to chase Avery down the hall way to get a piece of him. I'm sure they will be reintroduced the next time the Oilers and Rangers meet. He said after the game that he was disappointed they don't play the Rangers again this season.
Whether it be a hit or a fight...I'm sure Peckham will find a way to get a piece of Avery.
Guess our idea of enforcing is a little different. He came off the bench (the legal way) to protect a youngster and still tried to fight Stuabitz even though Staubitz wouldnt oblidge. To me thats good enforcing and not cheap. Even if the back of the helmet got more damage than the player wearing it.
But Big Mac does the, "Hey, wanna fight?" "No" and skates away more often than getting at a player regardless of a no for an answer. A few more instances like that, or taking on someone in a lower weight class for the simple fact of protecting a player and enforcing "dont **** with my team mates" would make him a better enforcer instead of just that player who fights good with other teams tough guys.
But, like I said, each person has a different idea on what good enforcing is. Mine (which, I really didnt clarify) needs more action to go with the mental factor of dressing a tough guy. Im also a huge fan of Big Mac so Im not hating on him for the sake of hating lol.
Engelland is a middleweight that has fought a lot of heavyweights and held his own. According to hockeyfights he's fought 13x this past season and lost to Biz Nasty and Parros according to the site, but I recall those fights being more closer to draws than anything.
He fought Neil 2x, Shelley, Westgarth, Clarkson, Orr 2x, and Prust. How many of those guys are considered heavyweights? All of them except Neil and Prust maybe?
Anyways, it was nice seeing 2 Penguins in that list in the top 5.
For the most part, I agree with what you're saying. I just don't have an issue not constantly pursuing a staged fight if he's been told no a couple times. IMO MacIntyre is two for two in situations where he absolutely had to stand up for a teammate. Once was the Staubitz hit on Paajarvi and then there was a game where Vandermeer beat up Pouliot really bad after scoring a goal.
Here's the fight that followed.
He's also pretty good at finding a dance partner when the Oilers need a spark. For example...a game against the Ducks in February was probably the worst game of the season. The Oilers had nothing going for them and Parros was dodging MacIntyre all night. Eventually he just grabbed Parros and didn't really give him a choice. It's kind of tough to see in the video but I was at the game. Parros didn't want to go but MacIntyre pretty much forced him to.
Not an exciting fight but that's mostly because Parros didn't want to trade punches(don't blame him). The point is that the team needed a spark and he did his part.
I don't have an issue if he gets turned down in a fight that would be nothing more than two enforcers fighting just for the sake of fighting.
All very good points.
Yeah I consider Engelland a Lucic type - not really an enforcer but he can hold his own.
anyone not named David Koci
Lucic listed before Big John Scott?
Come on, Where is DJ King.
He is definitely in the top 3 best fighters in the league. S. Mac is the only one that could be argued to be a better fighter.
Don't believe me. Youtube him.
He had a terrible year. He went 2-4-1 according to DropYourGloves.com. There was a lot of hype with him moving to Washington, but I think he was in the pressbox a lot and didn't look good in some of his fights.
Perhaps this year will be a bounce-back year, but in Washington, it's tough to be a fighter.
It hasn't changed.
This works too...and that's without him getting pissed.
Here's a pretty good Oilers fight video. I'll post it because it features MacIntyre quite a bit.
That Koci fight was a beauty.
Top ten at fighting? Or at performing the Role?
I'd like to see a list of top ten performing the role
gillies did his job this year, and did it pretty well.
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