Waived: Tootoo Waived for Buyout

[InjuredChoker]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 3 min Näytä käännös
Tootoo (DET) on waivers today for purposes of buyout

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[Big Poppa Puck]

As expected.

I still like him and thought it was a good signing but if he's not gonna play then no use burying the contract in GR when you have buyout to use.

 

[Boomhower]

Two years and we hardly knew ya.
I still picture Tootoo in a Preds jersey... that's how little he did here.

 

[needzmoarcleary]

I liked him and wish he was played over some other players that had no reason to be on the ice (cleary cough). Hope he finds a new team to play for. Loved his energy.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

I can't help but wonder why he's not a PKer. Like what prevents him from playing the PK effectively? Why hasn't he ever received that opportunity?

 

[InjuredChoker]

I can't help but wonder why he's not a PKer. Like what prevents him from playing the PK effectively? Why hasn't he ever received that opportunity?

he sits on the penalty box when his team is on PK.

 

[Frk It]

We used our buyouts on 2 of the players Holland signed from free agency in 2012. Yikes.

That said, I liked the Tootoo signing when it was done, I wished it worked out differently. I hope he can find an NHL job.

 

[detredWINgs]

We used our buyouts on 2 of the players Holland signed from free agency in 2012. Yikes.

And Samuelsson was a candidate as well if not for health.

I'd love to know what Holland was thinking.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

he sits on the penalty box when his team is on PK.

Good one, but I'm serious.

For the record, the past 3 seasons Tootoo draws more penalties than he takes. It could be longer but I'm too lazy to look further. Despite a small sample size, his ratio was unbelievably good for us when he played last year. Basically the opposite of Cleary. And Cleary got PK time. Cleary lol.

 

[Heaton]

Good one, but I'm serious.

For the record, the past 3 seasons Tootoo draws more penalties than he takes. It could be longer but I'm too lazy to look further. Despite a small sample size, his ratio was unbelievably good for us when he played last year. Basically the opposite of Cleary. And Cleary got PK time. Cleary lol.

I'd guess because all of his coaches have come to the same conclusion that he doesn't have the defensive instincts to be on the PK.

Why do you think he should be on the PK?

 

[Henkka]

I can't help but wonder why he's not a PKer. Like what prevents him from playing the PK effectively? Why hasn't he ever received that opportunity?

His reach and positioning. Speed can't compensate long sticks nowadays.

 

[Shoalzie]

All the best to him...sucks he had be buried in the AHL.

 

[Frk It]

I'd guess because all of his coaches have come to the same conclusion that he doesn't have the defensive instincts to be on the PK.

Why do you think he should be on the PK?

I guess the better question is... Why did we expect that to be any different here?

He was never a Pk'er but was always a good energy/checking line player that played with a lot of pace and grit. If the deal breaker was he's an effective player that can't PK, why wasn't that considered beforehand?

 

[Outl4w]

I hope he gets signed by fourth line duty by the TBL.

 

[TeddyFay*]

Tootoo=too slow and too undisciplined. Tootoo tata

 

[RayMoonDoh]

We used our buyouts on 2 of the players Holland signed from free agency in 2012. Yikes.

The ****in summer of ken.

How can he and the pro scouts be so out of touch lately?

 

[silkyjohnson50]

I'd guess because all of his coaches have come to the same conclusion that he doesn't have the defensive instincts to be on the PK.

Why do you think he should be on the PK?

I don't buy it. What amazing defensive instincts are required to play the PK? The PK structure is something they literally draw on the board and is much simpler than playing even strength. That's why you can see guys who are average at best defensively at even strength be very effective on the PK.

Why should Tootoo play on the PK? What is Drew Miller without the PK? If Tootoo contributed on the PK he's simply more valuable. You can then not worry about only throwing him out there for so many minutes at even strength. He's more than just a energy 4th liner. He's quick and gritty. I see no reason why he couldn't be capable with proper coaching. He's only had two NHL coaches, and as we well know, coaches can be pretty set in their ways (stubborn.) So just because two guys didn't play him on the PK doesn't mean he couldn't have. Dan freaking Cleary played on the PK last year.

His reach and positioning. Speed can't compensate long sticks nowadays.

Reach? Marty St. Louis can PK. Brian Gionta plays the PK.

Positioning on the PK is not rocket science. Playing defense on the PK is a lot easier than even strength defensive positioning. You're basically in set positions and responsible for 2 small areas of ice in your own zone. That's why you can see superstars, Selke level players, and guys like Drew Miller and Joakim Andersson have a similar impact.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Tootoo=too slow and too undisciplined. Tootoo tata

Since when is Tootoo slow?

 

[Roy S]

I wish there were more publicly available research on what makes one an effective penalty killer both for forwards and defenseman. There is so much noise in the current PK stats and you run into sample size issues, as well.

The power play is much easier to see and quantify the impact.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

And Samuelsson was a candidate as well if not for health.

I'd love to know what Holland was thinking.

You know exactly what he was thinking.

"Veteran's will help the Wings maintain the playoff streak."

The playoff streak has turned into a giant anchor. Must maintain the streak at all costs.

This allows him to argue that if the Wings just get in, they have a shot. That is completely true, but only for teams that are fundamentally sound. Wings do not fit that description. Bad teams don't win the cup.

 

[detredWINgs]

Tootoo=too slow and too undisciplined. Tootoo tata

Um, Tootoo gave Helm a run for his money in terms of speed. And he took a collective 9 minor penalties in his 53 cumulative regular season games for the Wings.

But thanks for your contribution.

 

[detredWINgs]

I don't buy it. What amazing defensive instincts are required to play the PK? The PK structure is something they literally draw on the board and is much simpler than playing even strength. That's why you can see guys who are average at best defensively at even strength be very effective on the PK.

Why should Tootoo play on the PK? What is Drew Miller without the PK? If Tootoo contributed on the PK he's simply more valuable. You can then not worry about only throwing him out there for so many minutes at even strength. He's more than just a energy 4th liner. He's quick and gritty. I see no reason why he couldn't be capable with proper coaching. He's only had two NHL coaches, and as we well know, coaches can be pretty set in their ways (stubborn.) So just because two guys didn't play him on the PK doesn't mean he couldn't have. Dan freaking Cleary played on the PK last year.



Reach? Marty St. Louis can PK. Brian Gionta plays the PK.

Positioning on the PK is not rocket science. Playing defense on the PK is a lot easier than even strength defensive positioning. You're basically in set positions and responsible for 2 small areas of ice in your own zone. That's why you can see superstars, Selke level players, and guys like Drew Miller and Joakim Andersson have a similar impact.

Agreed. No one is scoffing at shorter guys like Helm and Draper PKing against the likes of Chara or Perry with their reach. And the PK is usually something that guys who have nothing else cling to in order to keep their NHL careers alive. That is basically why Drew Miller has an NHL career.

As for Tootoo, he's played for the Preds and Wings - two teams that have never really wanted for PKers. Had he come up through the Wings organization, my guess is he'd have been tutored a bit on PKing a la Cory Emmerton. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a PKer should he move to a team like Edmonton or Winnipeg.

 

[Winger98]

Agreed. No one is scoffing at shorter guys like Helm and Draper PKing against the likes of Chara or Perry with their reach. And the PK is usually something that guys who have nothing else cling to in order to keep their NHL careers alive. That is basically why Drew Miller has an NHL career.

As for Tootoo, he's played for the Preds and Wings - two teams that have never really wanted for PKers. Had he come up through the Wings organization, my guess is he'd have been tutored a bit on PKing a la Cory Emmerton. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a PKer should he move to a team like Edmonton or Winnipeg.

the last time I brought Tootoo's lack of PK the gist seemed to be that Tootoo was able to make a name for himself throwing big hits and scoring in the lower leagues, and never concerned himself with learning any other skills. Since he doesn't have the abilities to continue to be a scorer, and he's never applied himself to learning other abilities, he's left with being an agitator. Unless he decides to change, I don't think he'll pick up any PK duties wherever he goes.

 

[jaster]

I can't help but wonder why he's not a PKer. Like what prevents him from playing the PK effectively? Why hasn't he ever received that opportunity?

My take.... He runs around too much. He's not good positionally because, frankly, that's just not his game. He's out there causing havoc. Hitting, forechecking.... that's where his value lies, and it largely precludes him from thinking a defensive game.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

My take.... He runs around too much. He's not good positionally because, frankly, that's just not his game. He's out there causing havoc. Hitting, forechecking.... that's where his value lies, and it largely precludes him from thinking a defensive game.

But again that's talking about even strength. It's a completely different ball game. The PK is almost completely based on structure. I have to believe that Tootoo, as a sane human being, has the ability to know and adjust his game for that type of structure.