Value of: Tony DeAngelo

[Gargyn]

Monahan, 2020 2nd for Georgiev and DeAngelo. Rangers get a much needed 2nd line centre and Flames get a much needed RH offensive dman and goalie. Move Lindholm to C.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Monahan, 2020 2nd for Georgiev and DeAngelo. Rangers get a much needed 2nd line centre and Flames get a much needed RH offensive dman and goalie. Move Lindholm to C.

Not too bad.

 

[Barnaby]

What's this about?

He tweeted a positive message about a polarizing American politician about 3-4 years ago. The horror. He’s actually one of the more we’ll liked guys on the team and he’s willing to drop the gloves for a teammate on occasion. He’s by no means a shutdown defenseman but he’s nowhere near the tire fire he’s reported to be. The one reason he might be available is that the Rangers paid Trouba already and will have to pay Fox and do you want to pay 20 million for 3 RD’s. I’d actually like to keep DeAngelo but I can see where it makes sense to listen on him. I think he’s going to score a lot more points in his career and will be a big part of whatever team he’s on. I hope this isn’t Zubov trade part two...

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

TDA is an elite PP guy. He should be playing lower pairing minutes on defense. It's really a matter if your PP stinks and you need to fix it as to what your interest in him would be. Either way the Rangers would never make this deal at this moment. Until Lundkvist comes over and the Rangers find out what they have with their other goalie prospects they will most likely be with the Rangers for another season. I just hope if Gorton signs TDA he isn't dumb enough to include and NTC or NMC clauses in his contract so he can move him to any team he likes when he decides to do that.

 

[Heckler81]

TDA is an elite PP guy. He should be playing lower pairing minutes on defense. It's really a matter if your PP stinks and you need to fix it as to what your interest in him would be. Either way the Rangers would never make this deal at this moment. Until Lundkvist comes over and the Rangers find out what they have with their other goalie prospects they will most likely be with the Rangers for another season. I just hope if Gorton signs TDA he isn't dumb enough to include and NTC or NMC clauses in his contract so he can move him to any team he likes when he decides to do that.

I think this is incorrect. I thought I read somewhere that ADA was 3rd in points in 5v5. So he is not just a PP specialist.

 

[MisterT]

After having the joy of watching ADA in junior, there's no way I'd ever want him around my team. However, everyone if fooling themselves if they believe he returns anything less that Kapanen. He plays a position of need for most teams and although his defensive game is suspect, he's there for transition and to generate offense.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

After having the joy of watching ADA in junior, there's no way I'd ever want him around my team. However, everyone if fooling themselves if they believe he returns anything less that Kapanen. He plays a position of need for most teams and although his defensive game is suspect, he's there for transition and to generate offense.

He's also gotten a lot better defensively. I'm not saying he's great, but his defense is not so bad anymore that he loses back the value he gains on the offensive end for the team.

 

[Calad]

I think this is incorrect. I thought I read somewhere that ADA was 3rd in points in 5v5. So he is not just a PP specialist.

Was going to say this. People have this idea he's just a PP specialist with no defense haven't watched the guy in years. He drives play at even strength. Not an easy skill to come by.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would the Rangers consider trading him? Explain his strengths and weaknesses and why you would move him? Rangers seem to need D right?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Was going to say this. People have this idea he's just a PP specialist with no defense haven't watched the guy in years. He drives play at even strength. Not an easy skill to come by.

36% of his production on the PP is a bit over the average but not way over. He was +12 with 19 min a game so I don't believe he was bad in his own end. Krug on the other hand? He's horrible in his own end and a PP specialist. He has 57% of his points on the PP with 70% starts on the offensive zone. And he still manages to have one of the worse +/- on the Bruins group of D.

I agree with you. I don't know Deangelo that well but from what I can see, he's not just some offensive guy like Krug is.

 

[Fitzy]

Why would the Rangers consider trading him? Explain his strengths and weaknesses and why you would move him? Rangers seem to need D right?

1) NYR's top 3 defensemen all play the right side. Trouba and Fox are going to be Rangers for a long time.
2) If NYR keep ADA they're going to eventually end up paying around 22-24 million just for right defense if Fox continues to be spectacular
3) Those 3 right D may block the prospect development of a very solid RH prospect in Nils Lundkvist who could give the team 3 solid years at ELC money level.

So, in short, its basically trying to move a player from a position of strength, right as his salary is about to balloon, to try to address other weaknesses in the lineup at Left D and Center.

 

[Habs Halifax]

1) NYR's top 3 defensemen all play the right side
2) If NYR keep ADA they're going to eventually end up paying around 22-24 million just for right defense if Fox continues to be spectacular
3) Those 3 right D may block the prospect development of a very solid RH prospect in Nils Lundkvist who could give the team 3 solid years at ELC money level.

So, in short, its basically trying to move a player from a position of strength, right as his salary is about to balloon, to try to address other weaknesses in the lineup at Left D and Center.

Sounds about what the Habs are trying to do with Domi but his good season was at 23, not at age 24 this past year. I get it now. Quite the jump from Deangelo from age 23 to 24. Hard to nail down his value and some will make the phone call for sure on Deangelo. Jets might be a good one to talk to. Maybe the Flames as well.

But you looking for what? LD or Center? Hard to find top 2C's but you could flip Deangelo for a LD I am sure.

 

[Fitzy]

Sounds about what the Habs are trying to do with Domi but his good season was at 23, not at age 24 this past year. I get it now. Quite the jump from Deangelo from age 23 to 24. Hard to nail down his value and some will make the phone call for sure on Deangelo. Jets might be a good one to talk to. Maybe the Flames as well.

But you looking for what? LD or Center? Hard to find top 2C's but you could flip Deangelo for a LD I am sure.

I don't know what management's target is, but if it was me, I'd want either

1) A shutdown LD, doesn't need to have a lick of offense in their game but very reputable defensively on a reasonable contract.

or

2) A draft pick or near NHL ready center prospect

Our defense was bottom 5 defensively last season, despite producing a ton of offense. The balance is off.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't know what management's target is, but if it was me, I'd want either

1) A shutdown LD, doesn't need to have a lick of offense in their game but very reputable defensively on a reasonable contract.

or

2) A draft pick or near NHL ready center prospect

Our defense was bottom 5 defensively last season, despite producing a ton of offense. The balance is off.

100%. Your strategy is spot on. When I was predicting the play in round... I said Canes easily. Ranger D is not so good.

 

[dumpin]

1) NYR's top 3 defensemen all play the right side. Trouba and Fox are going to be Rangers for a long time.
2) If NYR keep ADA they're going to eventually end up paying around 22-24 million just for right defense if Fox continues to be spectacular
3) Those 3 right D may block the prospect development of a very solid RH prospect in Nils Lundkvist who could give the team 3 solid years at ELC money level.

So, in short, its basically trying to move a player from a position of strength, right as his salary is about to balloon, to try to address other weaknesses in the lineup at Left D and Center.

Regretfully I agree. I am a big TDA fan. I dont think he has reached his full potential yet, but you are right, especially if you get him away from Staal. If the value is there in a a trade they would have to do it. If money/cap were no object then I would not move him.

 

[ElLeetch]

Why would the Rangers consider trading him? Explain his strengths and weaknesses and why you would move him? Rangers seem to need D right?

LD is needed... kinda, while RD is stacked (Trouba, Fox, and ADA right now, with Lundkvist and Hajek at the door).

We'd move (and i don't want to) to we can be more balanced cap wise. We cant eventually be paying 3 RDs to be #1s.

 

[FireGorton]

TDA is worth a late first or early 2nd because of contract demands and due to flat cap.

 

[n8]

Every rangers fan I know personally is 100% ready to move on from deangelo. They complain he can’t play defense. 3 playoff games, -6 and was completely posterized by Aho in the last game. Add in that he needs a new contract, I just don’t think he is worth as much as some people might think

get out and meet more Ranger fans?
I wish we could move Trouba before his NMC kicks in but in the real world, that would not ever happen.
Deangelo was injured during the playoffs so don't give his playoff performance any credence towards how the fans feel.
Deangelo does so much for the Rangers lineup. His transition game is really good. of course the points. He hits and brings that sand paper to the lineup. He's an agitator too. the mouth on that boy. He also brings the <wavy ghost hands> locker room intagibles. He's also really strong since he had to carry Marc Staal all season. You try playing a season with Staal. See what that does for your stats.

So the real situation is we have Trouba, we have Fox, we have Deangelo, but we also have Lundkvist who scored 31 in 45 SHL games as a 19 year old. OEL had 27 for comparison. he's no guaranteed but we are naturally excited about him. Deangelo might be able to play on the left side but who knows. We just have what GMs like to call "a good problem." It probably will take a full year to play itself out but some Ranger fans are trigger happy and covid-bored so it's rampant Deangelo thread time. It's a question mark but not an urgent one.

No one on HF is going to knock our socks off with an offer for him either so I mean, I guess some people like to talk about it.
Realistically, many factors affect his value. As an RFA, he has to extend. What does that extension look like? That will affect his value greatly. If he signs a 7 year contract for $10 AAV, his value tanks with that albatross of a contract. If he signs a 5 year $5.5M contract, I think his value sky-rockets. Big unknown.

At present, without a contract, I think he's worth a little bit more than what we traded for Trouba (remember Trouba handcuffed WPG by limiting which cities he'd accept a trade to so he was sold under market price) but perhaps worth a little less than Trouba's full trade market value (which we'll never know).
A mid 1st + a top 4 D-man or a top 6-9 forward + so undetermined adjustment for being undersold.

 

[Drew311]

Deangelo, Lemieux and Hurricanes 1st for Nylander.

 

[n8]

Skjei getting better with Carolina is also questionable. I highly doubt he's gotten better. He's not that talented. Great size and skating. Defended pretty well until the last year or two when his hockey sense was gone. Maybe he did a little better in the Carolina system away from Lindy Ruff, but Skjei is not magic beans. At best, he's an okay mid-pair defensemen. He had warn out his welcome with the Rangers a long time ago.

Skjei is still Skjei. if you watched the playoffs, for each great offensive play he made, he makes a bonehead play or blown coverage that has you throwing your bag of popcorn.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Deangelo, Lemieux and Hurricanes 1st for Nylander.

This isn't close.

DeAngelo>Nylander. We also have no real need for Nylander.

We're not throwing in Lemieux and Hurricanes first. Rutherford isn't running our team.

 

[Kupo]

Deangelo, Lemieux and Hurricanes 1st for Nylander.

LOL - NO.

Not even close. The difference between Nylander and ADA isn’t Lemmy + 22-24th OA.

C’mon man.. Its a shitty proposal. Don’t post it if it’s shitty.

 

[elitepete]

He tweeted a positive message about a polarizing American politician about 3-4 years ago. The horror. He’s actually one of the more we’ll liked guys on the team and he’s willing to drop the gloves for a teammate on occasion. He’s by no means a shutdown defenseman but he’s nowhere near the tire fire he’s reported to be. The one reason he might be available is that the Rangers paid Trouba already and will have to pay Fox and do you want to pay 20 million for 3 RD’s. I’d actually like to keep DeAngelo but I can see where it makes sense to listen on him. I think he’s going to score a lot more points in his career and will be a big part of whatever team he’s on. I hope this isn’t Zubov trade part two...

He’s absolutely atrocious at defending

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I don't know that it's very realistic either way, but how would Rangers fans feel about DeAngelo for Fowler base?

Rangers solve their issue of having too many similar RHD, get a more proven minute muncher to slide in as your top LHD for the foreseeable future.

Anaheim can use DeAngelo in an ideal situation for him, on the 2nd or 3rd pairing with guys like Lindholm/Manson/Gudbranson etc taking on the heavier defensive assignments. The Ducks have no PP quarterback in the system and are crying out for offensive help.

Fowler has six years remaining at 6.5M, I'm unsure what the projections are for DeAngelo's next deal but I'd guess he'd come in over 5M and make the financial trade off fairly close.

 

[GAGLine]

I don't know that it's very realistic either way, but how would Rangers fans feel about DeAngelo for Fowler base?

Rangers solve their issue of having too many similar RHD, get a more proven minute muncher to slide in as your top LHD for the foreseeable future.

Anaheim can use DeAngelo in an ideal situation for him, on the 2nd or 3rd pairing with guys like Lindholm/Manson/Gudbranson etc taking on the heavier defensive assignments. The Ducks have no PP quarterback in the system and are crying out for offensive help.

Fowler has six years remaining at 6.5M, I'm unsure what the projections are for DeAngelo's next deal but I'd guess he'd come in over 5M and make the financial trade off fairly close.

Fowler isn't the guy we are looking for. He doesn't PK, and his combination of age and cap hit isn't ideal. Lindholm would be the better target from Anaheim, but I can understand why you wouldn't want to do it.