Value of: Tony DeAngelo

[Crazydounut]

DeAngelo is likely being traded. The Rangers have Lundkvist coming over in 2021-2022 plus they need to re-sign Shesterkin and Zibenajed next offseason, than Fox after that. They can get a 1st rounder or 2nd rounder+ from a team who has cap room with a need for puck moving on defense. (Montreal, Detroit, Buffalo, Ottawa, Los Angeles)

 

[ole ole]

I think if DeAngelo actually signed that OS, the Rangers would match with out much thought.

As for the offer, it would depend on the prospect.

3 second round picks is nice, but that prospect better be really good to justify crapshoots for a known entity.

If the Habs end up with the 16th OA pick , 16th OA pick and a 2nd rd pick + something very minor.

 

[bleedblue94]

1. Barrie does not have a fraction of Deangelo's skills.
He is not a poor man's Deangelo, he is destitute man's Deangelo.

2. Dea did not look good, neither did almost the entire rest of the team.

3. Let us remember that Deangelo usually drags along Staal; not his fault.

4. There were rumors Deangelo was physically not 100% and speculation he was going to be scratched reinforces such idea.

It's been revealed he played w a pulled hamstring

 

[bernmeister]

It's been revealed he played w a pulled hamstring

Thank you, bb94, had suspicions but did not know for certain that was case when I posted.

 

[nyrage]

Thank you, bb94, had suspicions but did not know for certain that was case when I posted.

It was a pretty bad hamstring injury. He probably shouldn't have played, but as you know, they really didn't have any options.

 

[bleedblue94]

Thank you, bb94, had suspicions but did not know for certain that was case when I posted.

Brooks reported it yesterday. So I think everyone can agree ada ada isnt the best defensive d man around, but equally I think everyone can concede judging a player based on playing three games with a pulled hamstring is a little ridiculous. The truth in his game is something in the middle of the two hyperbolic views being presented in this thread. He's not a top rhd and he's not someone who you completely have to shelter. His d game got better all year. Arguments about trade value right now are pointless bc unless his salary demands are outrageous he will be with nyr next year w NL staying in Sweden one more year. Everyone can gets their actual answer on how good ada is next season...

 

[Smitty426]

What off the ice stuff are you talking about?

As far as lockerooms go, he’s a favorite amongst his peers.

The false narratives you guys are peddling is hilarious.

And every player would be looking to get paid after having a strong season. Look at your boys Nylander + Marner.

That's funny

 

[Kupo]

If the Habs end up with the 16th OA pick , 16th OA pick and a 2nd rd pick + something very minor.

You would hope the player you draft at 16 becomes the player DeAngelo is today. The 2nd + minor piece doesn’t do much for us.

 

[bernmeister]

It was a pretty bad hamstring injury. He probably shouldn't have played, but as you know, they really didn't have any options.

Agree, he shouldn't have played.
Disagree, I would have let it roll with Hajek for max mins under the circumstances.

This is not a hobbled and banged up Willis Reed handling a titanic but not especially swift Wilt the stilt Chamberlain.

This is high speed NHL skating, and D have to stop on a dime forwards and backwards with quickness.
Did more harm than good and obv whether it was player, coach or someone f/o, it was way wrong decision.

I was hoping for something very temporary like food poisoning, flu, etc.

 

[Kupo]

That's funny

 

[Crazydounut]

You would hope the player you draft at 16 becomes the player DeAngelo is today. The 2nd + minor piece doesn’t do much for us.

a 2nd + minor piece is better than going to arbitration to pay a contract long-term that the Rangers cannot afford

 

[Kupo]

2016-2017: 21 year old DeAngelo makes his debut in Arizona. Shows some nice flashes offensively but has no clue how to make reads defensively. Puts up 14P in 39G.

2017-2018: First season in NY. Struggles during the first half of the season, but then he started playing pretty well. He crashed into the boards and missed the rest of the season which delayed his development as a 22 year old, which sucked because the team just announced their decision to rebuild which would have allowed him the opportunity of more playing time.

2018-2019: This was the year where Tony started figuring it out, and that’s because Of Coach Quinn. He repeatedly benched him, even after Tony had decent games. Sure, he had 30P in 61G, but he just wasn’t getting it defensively.

There were times where the fanbase wanted to crucify Quinn because we all felt Tony just needed experience at the NHL level to improve.

If you’re playing your position incorrectly, experience won’t do shit for you. Quinn broke DeAngelo and over the course of the season and slowly rebuilt him. Kid made big strides and showed a lot of improvement in understanding his position.

Like most offensive dmen, DeAngelo will leave you wanting more in his own zone. That doesn’t make him a bad hockey player, or worthless. A good coach utilizes his players in different situations.

There are many dmen in the league that are better at playing defense than ADA. But there aren’t many better offensively. Not at Even Strength or the PP.

If your team had a 24 year old RHD who was on pace for 60P this year, played physical and dropped the gloves, you would understand why Rangers fans love the kid.

But some people here clearly have an agenda, and it’s obvious. But, you haters keep on hating if it helps you sleep better at night.

 

[Kupo]

a 2nd + minor piece is better than going to arbitration to pay a contract long-term that the Rangers cannot afford

The Rangers can sign him to a 1 year contract and then give him a long term deal next season. They’ll have like, 20M to play with.

We appreciate your concerns though.

 

[Smitty426]

2016-2017: 21 year old DeAngelo makes his debut in Arizona. Shows some nice flashes offensively but has no clue how to make reads defensively. Puts up 14P in 39G.

2017-2018: First season in NY. Struggles during the first half of the season, but then he started playing pretty well. He crashed into the boards and missed the rest of the season which delayed his development as a 22 year old, which sucked because the team just announced their decision to rebuild which would have allowed him the opportunity of more playing time.

2018-2019: This was the year where Tony started figuring it out, and that’s because Of Coach Quinn. He repeatedly benched him, even after Tony had decent games. Sure, he had 30P in 61G, but he just wasn’t getting it defensively.

There were times where the fanbase wanted to crucify Quinn because we all felt Tony just needed experience at the NHL level to improve.

If you’re playing your position incorrectly, experience won’t do shit for you. Quinn broke DeAngelo and over the course of the season and slowly rebuilt him. Kid made big strides and showed a lot of improvement in understanding his position.

Like most offensive dmen, DeAngelo will leave you wanting more in his own zone. That doesn’t make him a bad hockey player, or worthless. A good coach utilizes his players in different situations.

There are many dmen in the league that are better at playing defense than ADA. But there aren’t many better offensively. Not at Even Strength or the PP.

If your team had a 24 year old RHD who was on pace for 60P this year, played physical and dropped the gloves, you would understand why Rangers fans love the kid.

But some people here clearly have an agenda, and it’s obvious. But, you haters keep on hating if it helps you sleep better at night.

What's your response if they trade him, cause you can't say that and have a different tune post trade?
He's Ghost from Philly with a big mouth. Def has value, what exactly is it and whats it worth?

 

[Kupo]

What's your response if they trade him, cause you can't say that and have a different tune post trade?
He's Ghost from Philly with a big mouth. Def has value, what exactly is it and whats it worth?

If they trade him, which they very well might, it’ll because if their depth at RD. Not because they dislike him. We didn’t have Trouba, Fox, or Lundkvist when Gorton acquired DeAngelo.

What is he worth? That’s impossible to know since teams value players differently. Trading him for futures makes no sense, so picks likely won’t interest us.

Our RD is set. We absolutely do need a top-4 LHD — but then again our prospect pool at LD is one of our strengths.

A 2C is another need, but Strome did just finish with 59P in 70G, thanks to Panarin.

So that’s where things get tricky. If ADA is moved, it’ll be a hockey trade.

 

[pld459666]

a 2nd + minor piece is better than going to arbitration to pay a contract long-term that the Rangers cannot afford

No, its not

 

[bbny]

DeAngelo's name gets mentioned in this subforum so much. That does nothing for his trade value in poster's minds when looking for proposals or an assessment of worth.

It's a good thing for the Rangers that the understandably wrong opinions here, with respect to treating DeAngelo's value much lower than he is worth, don't mean anything when it comes down to dealing him if they must.

 

[ole ole]

The Rangers can sign him to a 1 year contract and then give him a long term deal next season. They’ll have like, 20M to play with.

We appreciate your concerns though.

The thread is about DeAngelo's value. If the Habs 1st ,2nd and some b prospect isn't enough we are quite happy to look elsewhere.

 

[Kupo]

The thread is about DeAngelo's value. If the Habs 1st ,2nd and some b prospect isn't enough we are quite happy to look elsewhere.

Oh, by all means, look elsewhere.

 

[Rangers394]

68 games, 15 goals, 38 assists.

3 bad playoff games where he was hurt and people are basing his value on that and completely ignoring the regular season.

 

[Rangers394]

2016-2017: 21 year old DeAngelo makes his debut in Arizona. Shows some nice flashes offensively but has no clue how to make reads defensively. Puts up 14P in 39G.

2017-2018: First season in NY. Struggles during the first half of the season, but then he started playing pretty well. He crashed into the boards and missed the rest of the season which delayed his development as a 22 year old, which sucked because the team just announced their decision to rebuild which would have allowed him the opportunity of more playing time.

2018-2019: This was the year where Tony started figuring it out, and that’s because Of Coach Quinn. He repeatedly benched him, even after Tony had decent games. Sure, he had 30P in 61G, but he just wasn’t getting it defensively.

There were times where the fanbase wanted to crucify Quinn because we all felt Tony just needed experience at the NHL level to improve.

If you’re playing your position incorrectly, experience won’t do shit for you. Quinn broke DeAngelo and over the course of the season and slowly rebuilt him. Kid made big strides and showed a lot of improvement in understanding his position.

Like most offensive dmen, DeAngelo will leave you wanting more in his own zone. That doesn’t make him a bad hockey player, or worthless. A good coach utilizes his players in different situations.

There are many dmen in the league that are better at playing defense than ADA. But there aren’t many better offensively. Not at Even Strength or the PP.

If your team had a 24 year old RHD who was on pace for 60P this year, played physical and dropped the gloves, you would understand why Rangers fans love the kid.

But some people here clearly have an agenda, and it’s obvious. But, you haters keep on hating if it helps you sleep better at night.

Don't even waste your time. DeAngelo said some things people don't agree with on social media so he's a bad guy now. Sadly, that's the world we live in.

 

[One Winged Angel]

But, pointzzzzzz.

“BuT, PoInTzZzZzZ.”

You see who is at the top of that list?

Try watching the Rangers on a nightly basis, it would help.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Don't even waste your time. DeAngelo said some things people don't agree with on social media so he's a bad guy now. Sadly, that's the world we live in.

I disagree with ADA’s views, in which case he should never be allowed to work again.

ADA isNt getting moved for anything short of an somewhat elite 3C with term or a young not quite yet realized 2C ceiling or an ideal 2LD partner for Trouba. NYR will add if need be

 

[bernmeister]

a 2nd + minor piece is better than going to arbitration to pay a contract long-term that the Rangers cannot afford

This is simply fully erroneous thinking.
Rangers have ample moves, some painful, some otherwise, which are alternates to create space if nec to retain Deangelo should we go there if not enough on the table, which is unlikely given league wide demand for quality righty RDs.

For that very reason, in this instance, we do not bend, buckle and break in capitulation to what balance of league will pay if there is de facto collusion to lowball. rest of the league capitulates to fact we will have one suitor showing up and paying reasonably high acceptable return.

Not crazy overpay, but towards higher end of market value.

If you don't want him, fine.
Ya want him, cough up a serious bid.

 

[broc]

DeAngelo is like a modern day, uber Marc Andre Bergeron! ;-)
Can put up points but gets next to no respect.

Reminds me of Jake Gardiners time with the Leafs. When you looked his stats were always good. But everyone absolutely trashed him, mostly bc of his playoff blunders.