That's the issue, isn't it? He has not done that up to now in his career. I have my doubts as to him starting now. But that is a topic for the Shattenkirk thread. It does however, affect other defensemen as they have to pick up the slack. That includes Pionk playing against tougher matchups than he should be.
Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo (MOD WARNINGS: Post #12/#900)
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Tawnos
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I thought I read somewhere that Shattenkirk's numbers are better against stronger competition than weaker. Could have totally hallucinated that though.
I don't remember if it was tougher competition, but someone was posting about fancystats and that his were better when he had more D-zone starts as opposed to O-zone starts.
Tawnos
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Consider me hoping for everything to work out no matter what the names are.
Pionk is still waiver exempt*, so he can always start the season in the minors.
*corrected.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
No one is “dumping” Pionk. It’s not a choice between the two players. Really there’s spots for both of them behind Shattenkirk.
Blue Blooded
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I noticed something about DeAngelo this preseason which also held true for last year - he is incredible at getting his shots on net. This preseason he has had 8 shot attempts of which 7 have been on net and last season he put 56 of his 85 attempts on net (66%). Not only was that 66% league leading among defencemen with more than 400 minutes of 5v5 TOI, but the only other defencemen that broke 60% did so by picking their spots very carefully and barely shooting at all (Santini, 5.06 S/60 & C. Tanev, 2.55 S/60) while DeAngelo fired away 7.53 S/60 - good for 9th most in the league. For comparison #10 Roman Josi (7.42 S/60) only had 49.5% of his attempts hit the target.
Edge
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ADA's doing what he's had to do thus far. Great to see.
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Rempe73
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Thank God he came around. There is no way he’s not playing on opening night.
Rongomania
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He knew that this could be it. Fourth team in 4(?) years is not a good look for a kid. What I find even more comforting is Quinn is giving him the trust (leash) he’s always needed and it is paying dividends so far. This is just the beginning and I am pulling for his success as it would mean a ton on the ice for this club.
Edge
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I truly feel that Quinn is the right coach for this next generation that is breaking into the league and/or trying to find their footing.
That's not say he can't be the right choice for veterans, and I want him to get the most out of talents like Kreider and Zibanejad, but the ability to connect with the younger players is going to be crucial to this organization's long-term future.
That's not say he can't be the right choice for veterans, and I want him to get the most out of talents like Kreider and Zibanejad, but the ability to connect with the younger players is going to be crucial to this organization's long-term future.
Rempe73
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Yea, I feel like a lot of the Rangers’ success really depends on the pieces on the Stepan trade, and the defense especially depends on DeAngelo. I thought, over the summer, that the 1st pairing upside DeAngelo had was gone. I expected him to be a 3rd pairing defenseman and maybe a mediocre 2nd pairing defenseman at best. Does he have that 1st pairing upside now? Who knows, but at least we are seeing flashes. It’s a long shot, but maybe still possible.
Rongomania
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Spot on.
You know what’s funny though, we talk about ‘kids’ because they’re 19,20,21 etc. but Kreids and Zibs are kinda still really young and Quinn said in that presser that some of the seniors in Boston were not too far from their age either.
He really does seem like that perfect fit. Ideally, they buy into him fully and he can stay all the way through this rebuild. If he ices a team which makes a lot of progress after whatever may come this year, I don’t see why not.
Plus we should all hope that this is a quick turnaround rather than an EDM/ARI/BUF/ETC. situation.
Edge
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To put this into perspective, Zibanejad is all of about two years older than Pionk and ADA. The kid's only been old enough to rent a car for about 5 months.
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I think it is possible. He just needs to be paired with a stay at home guy so he can act as more of a rover. He also isn’t old in terms of a prospect. Defenseman definitely tend to take a little longer to marinate.
Rongomania
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Quinn understands the importance of this and he has made it quite obvious that he sees serious potential in ADA’s game.
Rempe73
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I keep forgetting how young he still is. He’s not super young, but he still has 2-3 years to really develop. And I think he should be paired with a defensively-oriented 2-way defenseman, kind of like when he was put with McDonagh. If I remember correctly, that was a pretty good pairing. I would like to see Skjei - DeAngelo, and if Smith really does get his game back, Smith - DeAngelo might be a decent pairing. I just think a defenseman that is too “stay-at-home” will drag him down.
Blue Blooded
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This is where it's at, they were fantastic when paired last year.
Getting it on net but somehow, some way, needs to find a way to get some points out of it.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
This is my main concern with him. An offensive defenseman needs to put up points. Something that he has shown no ability to do at the NHL level so far.
It’s still preseason obviously, but to me he doesn’t look any different than he did in his stint last year right before the ankle injury 
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Rongomania
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It’s still preseason obviously, but to me he doesn’t look any different than he did in his stint last year right before the ankle injury
Where he was looking great with Skjei? He totally does. Right back on that trending up developmental track.
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